HOTM Hulk/Superman vs Thor/Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Stoic
I was referring to when the Surfer hit his limit when he began to siphon power from a star in the Infinity Gauntlet. This version of the Hulk would beat the shit out of Norrin. Arm'Cheddon was easily able to duplicate the Surfers draining ability, and he began to drain the Hulk, but it wasn't working. The Hulk had reached a level in his mind that he could consciously tap into the gamma force. This is something that the Savage Hulk could never do. This is also why Norrin would hit his limit, while the Hulk would continue to grow in power.

This draining thing wouldn't work out very well for the Surfer, and Superman is a very mobile target. i think team 2 could win, but they would be fighting an uphill battle here. Superman and the Hulk are very smart as well. I think they take it, and to be honest for once the Surfer appears to be the weak link. He'd likely find it very difficult to use exotics if he was on his back being beaten into dream land, or worse.

That was Infinity Crusade, actually.

And Uni-Lord was a universal level entity, far more then the power of a star.

Originally posted by carver9
He has worked both Surfer and Namor at the same time. They don't have any recent fights. All of them are classic fights.

Defenders issue? Also the age of a comic doesn't determine its relevance. How's the win loss ratio

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Defenders issue? Also the age of a comic doesn't determine its relevance. How's the win loss ratio

Yes...defenders and in this case, time does matter since BOTH of their power levels has increased to unknown levels. Especially Hulks. Current Hulk would probably one shot Ko his classic self going by his recent fts. Let me guess...you haven't been reading much Hulk lately huh, or Surfer? Because if so, you wouldn't have came back with this comment.

Your ignoring on panel evidence cuz its old? New low carver.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Your ignoring on panel evidence cuz its old? New low carver.

Did you not understand my post? You can't base classic fights off of characters that power level has changed DRASTICALLY? That's like saying a fight between DOS Doomsday would be the same against our modern more powerful Superman. Hulk has increased so much in power that it is ridiculous. The guy has shrugged off adamantium weapon 5 times within the past 3 yrs. This doesn't include his other insane fts as of late. You comparing Classic Hulk to current Hulk is laughable at best. Hell, everyone here knows this minus you. You can't base a fight off of what happened 30 to 40 yrs ago off of what would happen now. Are you crazy or something? I shouldn't have to tell you this since it is common sense.

Catch up on your Hulk. I can PM you some comics if you need them. Let me know. Especially if you think Hulk has not grown in power since his last fight against Surfer. 😆

And Surfers manipulated and survived contact with energy that killed Aegis and what's his face, surprising even Galactus.

For Hulk, being a World Breaker is a step up. For Surfer, it's a bare minimum feat.

Originally posted by cdtm
That was Infinity Crusade, actually.

And Uni-Lord was a universal level entity, far more then the power of a star.

Are you saying that the Silver Surfer is a universal level entity on the level of guys like Tyrant? I hope not.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Defenders issue? Also the age of a comic doesn't determine its relevance. How's the win loss ratio

It does in this case. This isn't the same old Savage Hulk that was unable to access his power like the Green Scar was able to. He was amplifying his power consciously, and without going full on mentally challenged.

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Originally posted by cdtm
And Surfers manipulated and survived contact with energy that killed Aegis and what's his face, surprising even Galactus.

For Hulk, being a World Breaker is a step up. For Surfer, it's a bare minimum feat.

Aegis and Tenebrous was kicking his ass in, who are you kidding? The Silver Surfer had it out with Thor, and they were nearly dead even. You have no idea of what it is that you're talking about. This Hulk while nearly calm took an internal hit from Hope, a being capable of outputting just over 133 times the amount of power that Hercules can put out if he put everything into one staggering blow. Are you trying to say that the Surfer would be able to take something like that? To top it off, the Hulk wasn't even nearly close to the power level that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension. What you're saying is completely absurd.

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Originally posted by cdtm
And Surfers manipulated and survived contact with energy that killed Aegis and what's his face, surprising even Galactus.

For Hulk, being a World Breaker is a step up. For Surfer, it's a bare minimum feat.

WTF. Surfer beat those two abstracts by manipulating the crunch. Great skill with his power but let's not pretend like he did it under his own power.

Hulk nearly drained all the energy from an abstract being and this was a normal Hulk. His fts has been more consistent than surfers.

Originally posted by Stoic
Are you saying that the Silver Surfer is a universal level entity on the level of guys like Tyrant? I hope not.

It does in this case. This isn't the same old Savage Hulk that was unable to access his power like the Green Scar was able to. He was amplifying his power consciously, and without going full on mentally challenged.

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Aegis and Tenebrous was kicking his ass in, who are you kidding? The Silver Surfer had it out with Thor, and they were nearly dead even. You have no idea of what it is that you're talking about. This Hulk while nearly calm took an internal hit from Hope, a being capable of outputting just over 133 times the amount of power that Hercules can put out if he put everything into one staggering blow. Are you trying to say that the Surfer would be able to take something like that? To top it off, the Hulk wasn't even nearly close to the power level that he was at when he was in the Dark Dimension. What you're saying is completely absurd.

You're obviously ignorant to Surfers history, not even knowing a classic story like the Uni-Lord saga, yet you tell me "I" don't know what I'm talking about?

No, Surfer isn't on Tyrants level. But he did absorb the energy of a being that's on par with Tyrant.. There were circumstances to it (After all, Surfers soul was stolen by this being initially, and his body broken to pieces), but the fact is he managed to contain the power of a being that's universal in level, and closer to Galactus level then World Breaker Hulk is.

Surfer's nearly broken Thor in half with a blast before.. In the Hero Reborn universe, Thor just about died from a weaker herald then Surfer.

T2 is n trouble here

Originally posted by carver9
WTF. Surfer beat those two abstracts by manipulating the crunch. Great skill with his power but let's not pretend like he did it under his own power.

Hulk nearly drained all the energy from an abstract being and this was a normal Hulk. His fts has been more consistent than surfers.

He manipulated the energies of the Big Crunch, killing the duo and surviving long enough for Galactus to save him. That's an impressive manipulation and durability feat, any way you look at it.

Originally posted by cdtm
He manipulated the energies of the Big Crunch, killing the duo and surviving long enough for Galactus to save him. That's an impressive manipulation and durability feat, any way you look at it.

So that one ft puts him above Herald level because if that's the case, you need to do the same for Thor, Superman, and Hulk as well.

Originally posted by cdtm
You're obviously ignorant to Surfers history, not even knowing a classic story like the Uni-Lord saga, yet you tell me "I" don't know what I'm talking about?

No, Surfer isn't on Tyrants level. But he did absorb the energy of a being that's on par with Tyrant.. There were circumstances to it (After all, Surfers soul was stolen by this being initially, and his body broken to pieces), but the fact is he managed to contain the power of a being that's universal in level, and closer to Galactus level then World Breaker Hulk is.

Surfer's nearly broken Thor in half with a blast before.. In the Hero Reborn universe, Thor just about died from a weaker herald then Surfer.

Is Unilord canon?

Originally posted by carver9
Is Unilord canon?

Why wouldn't it be? o_o

Originally posted by cdtm
Why wouldn't it be? o_o

Wasn't it proven as not being canon? I'm unsure but I've seen where it was debated as being non canon.

Originally posted by cdtm
You're obviously ignorant to Surfers history, not even knowing a classic story like the Uni-Lord saga, yet you tell me "I" don't know what I'm talking about?

No, Surfer isn't on Tyrants level. But he did absorb the energy of a being that's on par with Tyrant.. There were circumstances to it (After all, Surfers soul was stolen by this being initially, and his body broken to pieces), but the fact is he managed to contain the power of a being that's universal in level, and closer to Galactus level then World Breaker Hulk is.

Surfer's nearly broken Thor in half with a blast before.. In the Hero Reborn universe, Thor just about died from a weaker herald then Surfer.

And Thor was beating the hell out of The Infinity Watch, and had the Surfer along to beat him up as well. Thor is a peer to Hercules if you haven't been informed. Thor is also a peer of the Surfers.

You're exactly correct he is not on Tyrant's level or even near enough to be worth mentioning.

You ignored Carver's statement about the Hulk (much weaker version) taxing half of the Inbetweener who happens to be an Abstract capable of having a prolonged battle with a fed Galactus.

This particular Hulk is on a higher level than Thor or the Surfer. It was pretty clear when they told the story on panel. Your attempts at trying to lower this particular Hulk down to the Herald tier is filled with more than one contradiction to put it mildly. In actuality this battle would be a stomp in favor of team 1. The Hulk being used in this thread isn't the most powerful character that has graced a comic book (far from it), but the Surfer doesn't need the most powerful character out there, in order to be beaten badly.

I don't think that I'm low balling to say this, but there are guys that this version of the Hulk would work, but have beaten the Surfer convincingly. being able to withstand a hit that a being over 133 times more powerful than Hercules is above Norrin's threshold. Shit didn't Arm'Cheddon beat Norrin? He wasn't able to do it to this version of the Hulk, he was too busy being turned to dust by indirect activity that had to do with how hard the Hulk was hitting, and being hit.

Originally posted by JBL
Surfer and thor have fought faster characters than superman, speed is no problem whatsoever. Surfer is the worst thing superman would want on him and thor can BFR hulk at will.

And what characters have they fought and did well against that are faster than Superman? You know that Superman has the best combat speed feats. He has also traveled galaxies in mere moments. This more than matches anything Surfer has done.

Originally posted by JBL
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/96884/2067907-thor119b.jpg

Its nothing thor has not seen nor defeated before. PIS is not helping supermans case.

Thor has never affected the intangible. So you can't say he can here.

Originally posted by carver9
Did you not understand my post? You can't base classic fights off of characters that power level has changed DRASTICALLY? That's like saying a fight between DOS Doomsday would be the same against our modern more powerful Superman. Hulk has increased so much in power that it is ridiculous. The guy has shrugged off adamantium weapon 5 times within the past 3 yrs. This doesn't include his other insane fts as of late. You comparing Classic Hulk to current Hulk is laughable at best. Hell, everyone here knows this minus you. You can't base a fight off of what happened 30 to 40 yrs ago off of what would happen now. Are you crazy or something? I shouldn't have to tell you this since it is common sense.

Catch up on your Hulk. I can PM you some comics if you need them. Let me know. Especially if you think Hulk has not grown in power since his last fight against Surfer. 😆

Dont troll. Current Hulk and classic Hulk are still heralds he's gotten a better understanding of his power (being able to go wb) but on average its debatable if he is greater than his savage persona. Same goes for surfer. He's only more experienced norot more powerful he's still a high herald after all. Your using high end occurences like they're the norm. And ignoring on panel evidence simply cuz its old.

Originally posted by cdtm
That was Infinity Crusade, actually.

And Uni-Lord was a universal level entity, far more then the power of a star.

Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]MYTH

Surfer was cut into pieces and was still alive

First the evidence that the unilord saga is a What If story, here is the scene where surfer attempted to enter the unilord universe in SS v3 112

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p03.jpg
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http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p09.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p10.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p11.jpg

Now what is revealed later in SS v3 114 is that surfer failed to enter the unilord universe and its all a What If scenario

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p09.jpg

Now the reason why that scene can't be used as a proof that surfer can live even cut into pieces is that because HE DIED and his soul was absorbed into a blackbody and he shattered into pieces after that.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p15.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p16.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p17.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p18.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p20.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p21.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p22.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p23.jpg

Unilord made the union and called it Black Surfer

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p09.jpg

While surfer's power was absorbed by twelve individuals which were granted his powers

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p02.jpg

The balck surfer then absorbed surfer's powers back and surfer after getting his body and soul back broke free from blackbody's control

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p21.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p22.jpg

That was one of the biggest MYTHS about surfer.

MYTH BUSTED [/B]

Originally posted by cdtm
And Surfers manipulated and survived contact with energy that killed Aegis and what's his face, surprising even Galactus.

For Hulk, being a World Breaker is a step up. For Surfer, it's a bare minimum feat.

Originally posted by cdtm
And Surfers manipulated and survived contact with energy that killed Aegis and what's his face, surprising even Galactus.

For Hulk, being a World Breaker is a step up. For Surfer, it's a bare minimum feat.