The Revan Respect Thread: Update Thread

Originally posted by Selenial
Don't know where you're getting that we all "ripped on Revan"...

When it came to the Galactic Battlefront, you won't find a greater military Genius than Revan, he obliterated Moral and did what he had to to survive, our point was that what he did wasn't the Jedi way.

And that Surik was a better commander when it came to specifically fleets or ground forces, but I don't want to start that debate with Ant here.

Well he only had to stoop to such tactics to save the galaxy and turn around a war the Republic was badly losing. Before then he was a great Jedi.

BTW, I'm reading Beniboy's discussion about Vitiate vs Caedus and finding myself quite baffled about some of his conclusions.

- He gives Caedus the TK edge because he manipulated molecules, which is silly seeing as a common Jedi training technique is to move air molecules one by one and its seemingly standard in holocron construction to make subatomic alterations with TK, and he choked out force sensitives, which is also ridiculous since OBVIOUSLY thats not beyond Vitiates abilities and its impressiveness relies on whom you choke, choking a force user is hardly impressive by itself.

- He suggests they're equal in terms of lightning which I find hilarious. And he seems unaware that Yuuzhan Vong weren't immune to lightning, so Jacen harming them with it is hardly impressive. In fact, that he was merely able to paralyse one is a mark against his ability in that area.

- Who gives a shit about Foresight and Prophecy?

- He actually suggests that dominating 8000 Sith Lords minds isn't impressive and only suggests Vitiate enjoys a minor edge to Caedus in telepathy. Becuase Jacen could compel force users.

- Apparantly conjuring solid illusions is rudimentary and any basic adept can accomplish it. Who knew.

A good argument could be made for Caedus>Vitiate... but based on those points that is a shitty argument.

Beni's knowledge on post ROTJ is pretty horrendous, I've said this before.

However, in his defense, the 8000 Sith Lords feat was a ritual, as is (likely) all the other sith he's dominated, and as it's a Ritual, it's not an accurate basis for somebody's power.

As for your only other valid point, Vitiate's lightning feats aren't as overpowered as you think they are. He hasn't been able to knock blades out of peoples hands, overpower a blade etc.

You keep bringing up the Lightning field aboard the Emperor's space station, when he had ample time to prepare and still couldn't break through the HOT just walking through it.

Of course Lightning that hits 3 Jedi without lightsabers drawn is going to shatter their barriers, we have to focus on the fact that the HOT blocked Vitiates lightning twice, and just walked through it.

And whilst you refuse to listen to Sidious' bending back of Windu's blade, you have to at least accept that Windu, when amped by Vapaad AND Amped by sidious, couldn't move through Sidious' lightning at any notable speed. Caedus isn't that far off Sidious.

Also, nice Cherry picking there Neph, you casually refused to mention all the points Beni brought up, only actually mentioning the less valuable ones.

GG.

I only claimed to be baffled by some of his conclusions. I'll defend my confusion though if you want.

Originally posted by Selenial
As for your only other valid point,

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Originally posted by Selenial
Also, nice Cherry picking there Neph, you casually refused to mention all the points Beni brought up, only actually mentioning the less valuable ones.

GG.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
He specifically said he was baffled at [b]some of his conclusions, and therefore Neph only brought up the conclusions he was baffled with. Not exactly cherry picking. [/B]

Every available comparison should be made, and yet he chose to disregard the fact that it was multiple Jedi that Caedus threw around and choked, not just one.

He didn't just give Caedus the TK edge because of the molecules, it was just a single part of the comparison that he picked out.

The Lightning stuff I shouldn't even need to mention.

Farsight and Prophecy show talent, not just raw power in the force, they're a valid part of the spectrum used to compete powers in the Essential guide to the force.

Beni never said conjuring the Illusions was basic or rudimentary.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I only claimed to be baffled by some of his conclusions. I'll defend my confusion though if you want.

I know, I was just trying to understand why you were baffled, and in the process got baffled at the fact you were baffled.... 😮

Originally posted by ares834
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I chose not to answer the others because they were already answered by other feats in the aforementioned thread.

Originally posted by Selenial
Beni's knowledge on post ROTJ is pretty horrendous, I've said this before.

However, in his defense, the 8000 Sith Lords feat was a ritual, as is (likely) all the other sith he's dominated, and as it's a Ritual, it's not an accurate basis for somebody's power.

As for your only other valid point, Vitiate's lightning feats aren't as overpowered as you think they are. He hasn't been able to knock blades out of peoples hands, overpower a blade etc.

You keep bringing up the Lightning field aboard the Emperor's space station, when he had ample time to prepare and still couldn't break through the HOT just walking through it.

Of course Lightning that hits 3 Jedi without lightsabers drawn is going to shatter their barriers, we have to focus on the fact that the HOT blocked Vitiates lightning twice, and just walked through it.

And whilst you refuse to listen to Sidious' bending back of Windu's blade, you have to at least accept that Windu, when amped by Vapaad AND Amped by sidious, couldn't move through Sidious' lightning at any notable speed. Caedus isn't that far off Sidious.

I don't recall it being the Nathema ritual that dominated those Sith. Being able to dominate that many Sith for a long period of time is WELL beyond what Jacen is capable of even accounting for a ritual though. Which Vitiate clearly doesn't need to perform to use his telepathy since he used it on Revan without a ritual and it was an option for him to use it on the HoT. Vitiate can permanently dominate minds of even the most powerful of Jedi. Even touching his mind is agonizing and causes individuals to go insane. His mental powers are far beyond Jacens.

He overpowered the HoT's and Tol Braga's blades so IDK what you're talking about. Plus Caedus hasn't ever overpowered anyone with lightning either so so what?

All members of Tol Braga's team had their lightsabers out. The Hero blocking Vitiate's lightning only proves the Hero's power, not that Vitiate's lightning is weak.

Caedus' lightning isn't even in the same galaxy though. All he's accomplished with it is making a dude unrecognizable. Sidious and Vitiate have the power necessary to turn people into ash with their, which is a much higher level of power than what Jacen's shown.

On phone, will need to reply tomorrow 🙁

Whenever you want, if at all. I'm just making conversation about a thing. Lets keep it casual.

He did call the illusions basic and rudimentary though:

"Finally in terms of Force illusions, Caedus would take the edge. Simply put he has displayed a far greater mastery over the technique, showing himself capable of using such illusions to both deceive and dominate the minds of others. While the Sith Emperor was only able to create apparitions that could fight on his behalf - a most rudimentary application of the power which even the most basic of adepts were capable of."

Can you guys make/debate the topic else where?
It is nothing to do with the point of the thread. Thanks.

Drew Karpyshyn has emailed me back concerning Revan's fighting style:
"Revan [w]as more of a generalist, drawing on bits of everything here and there. He also straddles the line between the light and dark sides of the Force."
―Drew Karpyshyn (Author)
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I have already updated my respect thread with this new information:
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/revan-respect-thread/95278/

I have also updated my combat abilities thread with this new information:
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/revans-lightsaber-abilities-overview/97613/

Ant mate, you're going to have a ****ing field day when 3.0 drops, I'm telling you now....

Prepare.

This was a nice read until I saw forum wars 3,000. Oh and how can anyone have played the RPG and not know about the 2009 collector's release? I thought they redid every CG for the anniversary at the Wizards expo?

Originally posted by Selenial
Ant mate, you're going to have a ****ing field day when 3.0 drops, I'm telling you now....

Prepare.

Yoda-level Revan.

My body is ready.

Originally posted by AncientPower
This was a nice read until I saw forum wars 3,000. Oh and how can anyone have played the RPG and not know about the 2009 collector's release? I thought they redid every CG for the anniversary at the Wizards expo?

Can't tell if serious 😕

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yoda-level Revan.

My body is ready.

There's still time for us to Elope.....

Unlike with Ant, you can maintain your heterosexuality with me....