Sora Bulg and Quinlan Vos VS Tholme and Mace Windu

Originally posted by Lord Stark
If Agen Kolar can defeat Vos in two panels, what do you think a serious Mace would do to him?

Vos got his ass kicked by Cad Bane a non force sensitive. Beating Vos isn't that hard to do.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
And Agen approaches Mace as a swordsman.

Mace has mastered the 7 forms, disarmed Sidious, sparred on even grounds with Yoda and Dooku, forced Ventress into retreat, and KO'd Bulq without distractions. All of these are way above Agen.

BUT MACE HAD A MASSIVE AMP UND THE ROTS NOVEL SAYZ HE WAS NO MATCH FOR HIM.

Because Lucas's word is to be taken seriously!

^Lul, even if we take that out, sparring with the likes of Dooku and Yoda evenly are leaps and bounds away from Agen. Mace pwns Vos in seconds then takes Bulq in a decent fight.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Mace has mastered the 7 forms, disarmed Sidious, sparred on even grounds with Yoda and Dooku, forced Ventress into retreat, and KO'd Bulq without distractions. All of these are way above Agen.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
C'mon, bro. Mace isn't ''way above'' duelists such as Agen, just as he wasn't ''way above'' Asajj or Sora.

Are you serious? Mace beats Bulq and sends Ventress into retreat in that comic. What's more he's stated multiple times to be the equal of the good Count, we all know how Dooku has humiliated people on Ventress' and Sora's calibre.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Mace beats Bulq

Originally posted by Lord Stark
and sends Ventress into retreat in that comic.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
What's more he's stated multiple times to be the equal of the good Count,

Originally posted by Lord Stark
we all know how Dooku has humiliated people on Ventress' and Sora's calibre.

You can't just say he's marginally above them dawg? That might save you a lot of time replying to stuff you've argued before. I was done riding Mace's chocolate train a long time ago, Talzin made him look like a ***** ya feel me brutha?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
After a lengthy fight.

Debatable.

Which, per a Fact file, required him to utilize all of his skill.

Still made her admit inferiority and forced her into retreat.

Dooku is not considerably above duelists of Sora's calibre either.

He nearly killed Kenobi with a single well placed kick. If he were fighting only Kenobi he would have diced him up in a follow up.

Dooku never humiliated Ventress through sheer lightsaber combat, and while he did so to Sora, that just means Dooku is better than Mace is, thus rendering your comparison between Mace and Dooku useless.

He successfully holds off Ventress and her sisters while blind and drugged.

Has her on the defensive here,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUclUEMosm0

Holds her off while drugged and blind and outnumbered here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6s6lHLJBvE

Lol stomps her here,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhnY8pU3rFc

And Mace is the only Jedi to receive the 'second only to Yoda' accolade.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Debatable.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Still made her admit inferiority and forced her into retreat.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
He nearly killed Kenobi with a single well placed kick. If he were fighting only Kenobi he would have diced him up in a follow up.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
He successfully holds off Ventress and her sisters while blind and drugged.

Has her on the defensive here,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUclUEMosm0

Holds her off while drugged and blind and outnumbered here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6s6lHLJBvE

Lol stomps her here,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhnY8pU3rFc

Originally posted by Lord Stark
And Mace is the only Jedi to receive the 'second only to Yoda' accolade.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not really.

Mace mid-diffed him, then went on to low diff Ventress.

The point we're discussing isn't whether Mace is her superior or not; we already know that. It's by how much he's superior that is important, and as the Fact file confirms, it's not by an amount that defines ''way above''.

I mean either way I consider Ventress superior to Agen.

He only casually beat her in the last video, which was right at the start of her training.

Because using the force is easier. Doesn't mean she's not firmly below him in sabers.

Again, no one's saying he isn't better than Agen, Sora, Asajj etc., it's the amount of difference we're talking about.

According to the dudes who made the fights.

Tier 9:
Yoda
Mace
Sidious
Anakin
(Dooku presumably)

Tier 8:
Kenobi
The rest

Tier 7:
Some of the rest

I think Mace is ahead of Kenobi who is firmly above people like Agen.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Mace mid-diffed him,

Originally posted by Lord Stark
then went on to low diff Ventress.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
I mean either way I consider Ventress superior to Agen.

I don't, but it doesn't really matter.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Because using the force is easier. Doesn't mean she's not firmly below him in sabers.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
According to the dudes who made the fights.

Tier 9:
Yoda
Mace
Sidious
Anakin
(Dooku presumably)

Tier 8:
Kenobi
The rest

Tier 7:
Some of the rest

I think Mace is ahead of Kenobi who is firmly above people like Agen.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
He never had an edge in the after several blows were exchanged, bro.

It's not a low difficulty fight when it requires all of his skill.

I don't, but it doesn't really matter.

She's firmly below him as in she's never going to win, but she's not firmly below him as she can't challenge him.

Kenobi is far from ''firmly'' above duelists the calibre of Agen. I'd probably call them even, actually.

Agen's performance against Sidious really hurts him here. Under no circumstances would Mace, or even Kenobi get offed in such an embarrassing manner.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Agen's performance against Sidious really hurts him here. Under no circumstances would Mace, or even Kenobi get offed in such an embarrassing manner.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I reference Sidious' absolute ragdolling of Maul and Savage, whose Force feats exceed Mace's and Kenobi's.

That has nothing to do with a Saber fight. And Mace has greater force feats than Maul/Savage anyway. (Completely crushing 2 Destroyer droids with a Force Blast, Deflecting Sidious's FL, and that's not even counting the CW Mini cartoon).

Also Dooku has fought off Ventress plus 2 nightsisters while drugged and blind. Dooku has also danced around Ventress and Savage together, flooring Ventress a couple of times in the process.

So yeah Dooku is above Ventress in every way, and by a large margin. Can she put up a fight? Sure. But a pretty short one if it's one on one.

Maul and Savage hurled several dozen soldiers away with with their combined Force pushes, bro.

Mace has more trouble moving an AT-TE than Maul and Savage does moving shuttler larger than that.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Maul and Savage hurled several dozen soldiers away with with their combined Force pushes, bro.

Key word there is combined. I've not argued Mace has greater force powers than Maul and Savage combined.

And if you count the CW Mini then Mace has done that to hundreds of droids.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Mace has more trouble moving an AT-TE than Maul and Savage does moving shuttler larger than that.

I don't remember Mace struggling with that feat at all. And we don't know the exact weight of the AT-TE in comparison to those shttules. The AT-TE is a tank so might be heavier.

Still doesn't compare to Mace completely crushing Destroyer droids, and deflecting Sidious's FL.

Sidious was wrecking Maul and Savage combined, bro.

The shuttles are bigger than the tank

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sidious was wrecking Maul and Savage combined, bro.

If your arguing that Sidious could TK Mace around, then that's probably true. Although it's harder to do such a thing mid-saber combat, when Mace is putting Sidious under pressure.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
The shuttles are bigger than the tank

That's questionable. The shuttle's are longer, but do not have the same depth to them. And the weight will depend on what they're carrying. Also I don't remember Mace struggling.

Again none of Maul/Savage's feats compares to Crushing Destroyer droids or Deflecting Sidious's FL.