Sora Bulg and Quinlan Vos VS Tholme and Mace Windu

They're longer, taller and wider because of the wings.

Mace was visibly gathering energy before pushing it.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
They're longer, taller and wider because of the wings.

I know it's the wings that give it the height/width. Whilst the AT-TE's are much larger in the inside, hence why I say they could weigh more. But we don't know for sure unless some fact file gives us the weight.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Mace was visibly gathering energy before pushing it.

Doesn't mean he needed to. Besides so did Savage. And Maul's feat was out of desperation.

Again completely crushing Destroyer droids and battle droids plus deflecting Sidious's Lightning are both much greater Force feats than anything Maul or Savage ever did.

There's much more metal on the shuttles, bro.

Why would he do it if he didn't need to? Savage didn't do it, he just struck out his hand and it flew over.

Also, LOL@ starwars.com claiming the AT-TE is 13 meters tall.

Originally posted by Intrepid37

Why would he do it if he didn't need to? Savage didn't do it, he just struck out his hand and it flew over.

Check it yourself bro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueaQ_eKV-9M

1:47-1:49. Savage spends a good couple of seconds gathering energy himself. And Maul's was more instantaneous because he was in a more desperate situation. He couldn't waste a second in his situation.

Fair point. It's still fairly bigger than the tank though.

^ I don't know, it's just the wings really that make it seem bigger. But tanks tend to weigh more. Probably made of a tougher metal to take blasts, and have to be able to carry loads of troops and weapons.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I reference Sidious' absolute ragdolling of Maul and Savage, whose Force feats exceed Mace's and Kenobi's.

Nothing to do with swordsmanship.

With this herring, debate at KMC.

Originally posted by Lord Stark

Nothing to do with swordsmanship.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
You never said it had to.

You said Agen approaches Mace as a swordsman. I disputed this on the grounds that Mace's performance against Sidious and Dooku suggest otherwise.

Kenobi's performances against Maul, who in turn performed fairly well against Sidious also suggest he wouldn't get murked by Sidious like Agen, Saesee and even Kit were.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
You said Agen approaches Mace as a swordsman. I disputed this on the grounds that Mace's performance against Sidious and Dooku suggest otherwise.

Kenobi's performances against Maul, who in turn performed fairly well against Sidious also suggest he wouldn't get murked by Sidious like Agen, Saesee and even Kit were.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sora Bulq did well against Mace. Agen did better against Vos than Sora did.

Sora Bulq had the advantage of likely sparring with Mace a lot when they were developing Vaapad, and Mace still won.

Against Vos, he didn't have his Shoto and had just finished dueling Tholme. So yes deprived of one of his weapons and likely having expended energy defeating Tholme he did worse than Agen. This means nothing.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Sora Bulq had the advantage of likely sparring with Mace a lot when they were developing Vaapad, and Mace still won.

Against Vos, he didn't have his Shoto and had just finished dueling Tholme. So yes deprived of one of his weapons and likely having expended energy defeating Tholme he did worse than Agen. This means nothing.

Force adepts can refill energy at whim and Sora never showed any sign of exhaustion.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
So because they sparred together, it makes the feat invalid?

Force adepts can refill energy at whim and Sora never showed any sign of exhaustion.

At a whim?

What BS.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
At a whim?

What BS.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Dooku.

New word for you:

Proof.

Try figuring out how to directly cite instead of just going "vague thing here, thus it is evident". Your trolling burns too many calories as it is.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
New word for you:

[b]Proof.

Try figuring out how to directly cite instead of just going "vague thing here, thus it is evident". Your trolling burns too many calories as it is. [/B]

Originally posted by Intrepid37
No, I'm having a good time actually. Your strong emotions are a pleasure to observe.

Said your mother, every night.

Your mother is ugly.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Your mother is ugly.

That's all you got?