Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Wrong thread, I don't mind if bring up other characters into the thread as long as they have something to do with the debate.
So its the right thread for you when you want to bring up a character for your debate, but its the wrong thread if I wan't to do it. Your a Hypocrite and you lost both debates.
Uh no here is what I mean since your maturity won't let you understand
In the other thread I'm ok with this cause its a feat that actually has something to do with this.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He was not hurt by Ironman, Captain had to stop the fight before Thor was going to do him in.
I do mind this though
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Terminator said in T2 he feels pain, does that mean he is hurt? No
Understand?
Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Uh no here is what I mean since your maturity won't let you understandIn the other thread I'm ok with this cause its a feat that actually has something to do with this.
I do mind this though
Understand?
Quit making insults and passing them off as knowledge. Your wrong.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No that's not that. You've just made up your own rules there. I could argue Singer's films are the more canon one, as those are the ones people generally like (including First Class as Singer was involved in that one too), and are most familiar with.And then that's that for me. Fact is X1 and X2 are completely 100% canon to this UNiverse, and you can't just write them off.
Also in "The Wolverine" he was KO'd when injected with drugs/poison whatever. So he can be KO'd, it's not just a matter of "he survived a Nuke so can't be KO'd by anything else, even though he has been several times now.
Yeah, that's true. Cap could potentially decapitate Wolverine, or cut off any part of him.
Of course they are canon, but Origins is more recent than them, and TW is even more recent than Origins.
IIRC, his healing factor was compromised in that. And when exactly did Cap get knockout drugs/toxins as part of his standard equipment anyways? Or are you mentioning a scene from a special edition version of a Captain America film which only you saw?
Wolverine's skeleton is indestructible, so lol no.
Originally posted by Epicurus
I haven't made up any rules here. It's not about what one likes, it's about what's more recent, and Logan's feats in Origins and The Wolverine are more recent, which would give them precedence over previous films. Especially when they contradict previous low showings such as him being KO'd by a bullet to the head.Of course they are canon, but Origins is more recent than them, and TW is even more recent than Origins.
Who said "recent" = "more canon"?
In fact I wouldn't at all be surprised if Origins: Wolverine gets written out of canon. It's already got contradictions to the rest of the series like the "Emma Frost" thing. And Sabretooth being Wolverine's brother LOL.
But if we are to put them all in the same continuity, then we'd have to assume that modern day Wolverine gets KO'd more easily than Past Wolverine.
Either way you can't just write off events from the 2 films which started off the series. And the only 2 made by the guy who created the series.
Originally posted by Epicurus
IIRC, his healing factor was compromised in that.
No, it was after he cured himself.
Originally posted by Epicurus
And when exactly did Cap get knockout drugs/toxins as part of his standard equipment anyways? Or are you mentioning a scene from a special edition version of a Captain America film which only you saw?
He's an agent of shield. He can carry those kind of weapons if he knows who he's up against.
But that wasn't my point anyway. Point is Poisons are different to Nuke's melting your flesh, different to blunt trauma to the head. So you can't just say "He survived a nuke therefore nothing can knock him out now!" Because clearly in canon he can and has been KO'd several times in different ways.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Wolverine's skeleton is indestructible, so lol no.
So is Cap's Shield. He wouldn't even have to break the adamantium, just use enough force to separate them at their joints.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Who said "recent" = "more canon"?
Anyways, precedence or not, that single bullet KO scene doesn't override multiple showings in Origins where Wolverine tanks greater amount of damage without getting taken out. Especially when there is another scene where he tanks a bullet to the head without any problem whatsoever.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
In fact I wouldn't at all be surprised if Origins: Wolverine gets written out of canon. It's already got contradictions to the rest of the series like the "Emma Frost" thing. And Sabretooth being Wolverine's brother LOL.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But if we are to put them all in the same continuity, then we'd have to assume that modern day Wolverine gets KO'd more easily than Past Wolverine.Either way you can't just write off events from the 2 films which started off the series. And the only 2 made by the guy who created the series.
I absolutely can, if we are to take into consideration the overall picture based on all the known canon. Origins gave him a shitton of beastly feats, and ignoring them in light of a few low showings here and there is you doing what you're preaching against.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No, it was after he cured himself.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He's an agent of shield. He can carry those kind of weapons if he knows who he's up against.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But that wasn't my point anyway. Point is Poisons are different to Nuke's melting your flesh, different to blunt trauma to the head. So you can't just say "He survived a nuke therefore nothing can knock him out now!" Because clearly in canon he can and has been KO'd several times in different ways.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So is Cap's Shield. He wouldn't even have to break the adamantium, just use enough force to separate them at their joints.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Magneto and Phoenix, with their vast electromagnetic and telekinetic power were unable to break apart Logan's skeleton, so what makes you think Cap can?
TBF, Phoenix was deliberately holding back, and IDK if Mags ever tried to break Logan's skeleton onscreen. He had no trouble controlling it.
But yeah, Steve goes down here.
Originally posted by Lestov16
TBF, Phoenix was deliberately holding back, and IDK if Mags ever tried to break Logan's skeleton onscreen. He had no trouble controlling it.But yeah, Steve goes down here.
Even though a lot of people won't agree with me I see the stats like this
Durability= Wolverine > Cap. I say this cause we saw wolverine tanking bullets and still standing while cap was shot by a lot less and went down to the ground.
Fighting speed= Wolverine > Cap. I say this because Cap only showed to have superhuman fighting speed while wolverine was shown fighting a guy who had hypersonic fighting speed.
Strength= Cap > Wolverine. I never really seen any superhuman strength wolverine unless I missed one but I think cap has shown better strength feats.
Special things= Wolverine > Cap. Healing factor and an unbreakable skeleton is pretty much much better than caps shield.