Originally posted by Lestov16
The only thing Cap has going for him is his shield. If/when he loses that, he's phucked.
No, not at all. He's much stronger, much faster, much more agile, and a much better combatant.
Given all that it's pretty damn unlikely he's going to lose his Shield fighting someone much slower, weaker e.t.c.
Originally posted by Epicurus
It doesn't mean more canon but it definitely means greater precedence. Everyone is relying largely on Cap's feats from Winter Soldier over and above his feats in Avengers and the first Captain America movie.
That's because Cap has probably improved his abilities since he's got his powers. And nothing in WS outright contradicts what we see in TFA anyway. His powers just were not portrayed as well in the first film.
On the other hand with Wolverine, the feats your talking about mainly happen in the past, so there's no excuse for present day Wolverine featured in the older movies to have less durability.
It's just an inconsistency which you can't ignore, no matter how much you'd like to.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Anyways, precedence or not, that single bullet KO scene doesn't override multiple showings in Origins where Wolverine tanks greater amount of damage without getting taken out. Especially when there is another scene where he tanks a bullet to the head without any problem whatsoever.
And vice versa. Those mutiple tankings do not override the several times he's been KO'd by much lessser attacks.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Now you're just plain speculating. Origins is part of established X-canon, and pretending that it no longer applies based on a What If scenario that you cooked up is downright disingenuous.
Really? Because I'm just taking your lead here. You seem to be doing the same thing.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Which is why I separated Origins-level Wolverine from the one portrayed in the X-trilogy. It was you who stated that they should both be treated as part of the same canon, and should therefore be the same character
And talking of being disingenuous, you pretty much just done the same thing yourself. I was saying I wouldn't be surprised if Origins gets written out of canon, but did not actually declare it non-canon. Whilst you are outright trying to make the X-trilogy Wolverine's showings as Non-Canon to the Origins Wolverine, by saying we should treat them seperated.
Originally posted by Epicurus
I absolutely can, if we are to take into consideration the overall picture based on all the known canon. Origins gave him a shitton of beastly feats, and ignoring them in light of a few low showings here and there is you doing what you're preaching against.
Again vice versa too. We have several instances of Wolverine being KO'd. You'd like to ignore them, but I won't let you get away with that.
Fact his his showings have been inconsistent. Which is why I'm not claiming CAP will knock him out in 5 seconds. But that chances are he will eventually lay a KO hit on him.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Poisons are inferior to nukes. That's the difference between them. I am not claiming that surviving a nuke makes him invincible, I am saying that him tanking the radioactive fallout is a feat well beyond most of Cap's feats except for the disintegration gun. We have also seen him tank greater damage than what has KO'd him in the movies, and in greater number of instances as well. Guess you'll manage to come up with some strange reasoning as to how those feats become invalid in light of the fewer number of his lower end showings.
As I said it's an inconsistent showing. But not one that can be ignored. He can tank a lot, but can be KO'd be less as well. So CAP can (and probably will) lay a KO eventually given his far superior strength, speed, agaility and combat moves. As well as his Shield.
And your right, Poisions are inferior to the radioactive fallout from a nuke. But guess what? That inconsistency happens in the same damn movie LOL. So no you can't get away with ignoring his incocnsistent showings, and just sticking to his higher feats.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Magneto and Phoenix, with their vast electromagnetic and telekinetic power were unable to break apart Logan's skeleton, so what makes you think Cap can?
LOL Phoenix could have just tossed him around the way Magneto does, but chose not to, so was obviously holding back.
Magneto has no problems doing whatever he wants to Wolverine's bones.
Originally posted by Lestov16
None of that really matters because Cap can't do shit to Logan and his healing factor/indestructible skeleton.
He can KO him. And you know this if you've ever seen X1 or X2.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Problem is that it is possible for Cap to lose his shield, whereas there's no way for Logan to lose his claws.
Really? Clearly you haven't seen The Wolverine then either.
And Cap's not going to lose his Shield to an inferior combatant. So get that out of your head.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERoh yes cos Cap=a giant robot w/ a super heated adamantium sword
Really? Clearly you haven't seen The Wolverine then either.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And Cap's not going to lose his Shield to an inferior combatant. So get that out of your head.
all Logan has to do is put his arms up