Darth Malgus vs RotS Anakin and RotS Kenobi

Started by Syndicate9 pages

When was this? Scans please.
Also what do you mean I have no argument? You have only addressed the fact that Malgus beats Obi Wan alone which I agreed with but you have not yet addressed the fact that Anakin could stomp Malgus alone regardless of Obi Wan's help and adding Obi Wan just makes this spite.

Anakin isn't that much above Obi-Wan, not enough that he'd be stomping Malgus while Obi is getting stomped by him.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Malgus is nowhere near the level of skill in either the force or dueling then Dooku was.

Lol, Malgus ragdolled 3 extremely dangerous fighters, one of which was an incredibly powerful Force user at least on Dooku's level, while fighting another fighter of probably even greater power. Thats a feat of skill and power in the Force that utterly eclipses Dooku's. Malgus can also perform the Force Maelstrom technique, a highly advanced Force power combining 3 abilities at once.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Along with that Anakin has cracked the stone underneath Ventress from the sheer force of his blows which far exceed any strength feats Malgus has

It doesn't exceed them for one thing. For another Anakin did that in the old clone wars cartoons, where everyone was fighting at a much higher level than they normally can.

And Anakin only did that when he got super pissed off.

Originally posted by Syndicate
he has also ran so fast he could only be seen as a blur and has created afterimages from how fast he's swung his blade.

So has Malgus and Aryn Leneer.

Originally posted by Syndicate
He has also had far greater Telekinetic feats as he's moved ships and huge boulders and collapsed temples before.

No, Malgus has greater telekinetic feats like the one I mentioned. He was tossing around Aryn Leneer, a Jedi who threw a 6 car cargo tram with a gesture. He tossed around the Strike Team that fought him too.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Anakin isn't that much above Obi-Wan, not enough that he'd be stomping Malgus while Obi is getting stomped by him.

Anakin is way above Obi Wan in almost every way.

Lol, Malgus ragdolled 3 extremely dangerous fighters, one of which was an incredibly powerful Force user at least on Dooku's level, while fighting another fighter of probably even greater power. Thats a feat of skill and power in the Force that utterly eclipses Dooku's. Malgus can also perform the Force Maelstrom technique, a highly advanced Force power combining 3 abilities at once.

When did he do this? Also what are you referencing when you are saying he did 3 force feats at once?

It doesn't exceed them for one thing. For another Anakin did that in the old clone wars cartoons, where everyone was fighting at a much higher level than they normally can.

It doesn't take away the canonicity of the feat.

And Anakin only did that when he got super pissed off.

So? It's still an impressive strength feat above anything that Malgus has done

So has Malgus and Aryn Leneer.

Do they have sub light speed reactions?

No, Malgus has greater telekinetic feats like the one I mentioned. He was tossing around Aryn Leneer, a Jedi who threw a 6 car cargo tram with a gesture. He tossed around the Strike Team that fought him too.

I believe collapsing a building and flinging around boulders the size of Hutt's and entire ships beats flinging people around. Also just because a force user has lifted things with the force doesn't add to how much they way or make it harder to move them with the force.

They're breeding like tribbles.

Assuming you're not an Intrepid sock (in which case I've said this before) go read The Cestus Deception, Syndicate.

I have read and I own the book.

Then you should know that its very impressive to toss a force user around because they have Force defenses you need to overcome. So Malgus tossing and ragdolling powerful Force users is more impressive than Anakin throwing a rock.

As has been evidenced in multiple novels and in the TCW cartoon overcoming a force users defenses as evidenced by Savage briefly overwhelming the far superior Dooku and Ventress and then right after Anakin and Obi Wan along with Maul dominating Obi Wan with the force multiple times it is possible to surprise a force sensitive opponent and briefly overwhelm them even it they're stronger then you. Also you did not respond to the fact that flinging people around is not the equivalent of collapsing a temple or flinging around Hutt sized rocks or starships.

Savage didn't just surprise them, he was holding them up and choking them. They had time to react and start resisting him, he was just enraged and empowered. Similarly, Maul levitated Kenobi into the air. He could resist.

Malgus ragdolled people for an extended period during a fight. They weren't surprised and had ample time to resist his Force hold. Likewise when he smacked the Strike Team back he leapt right in front of them and gave them time to react before pushing them back. Just like how he overpowered Aryn during a duel when her defenses would be up.

I did response to that "fact." By pointing out that smacking around a powerful Force user is more impressive.

This is getting tedious. When you came here and said you had a lot of work to do I assumed you knew your stuff, not that I'd have to explain basic concepts like this to you.

You don't have to explain anything to me. I know about Magus's capabilities and his speed strength endurance skill and force power are not on comparable levels to Anakin and adding Obi Wan into this makes it spite. Anakin has also overpowered force based opponents and due to Savage's amp from force rage he was able to accomplish this feat along with surprise he was still not able to keep up the feat for long as he had to drop them and run away before they had a chance to retaliate. Also would you put this Aryn on the same level as Malgus?

Aryn was doing extremely well against Malgus when they fought in Deceived, managing to hit him twice with her lightsabers but in their second duel Malgus received an epiphany and achieved a state of oneness with the darkside. After this he was able to easily defeat Aryn with lightning. For a comparison, in their first duel Aryn blocked Malgus' lightning with her lightsabers while in midair. After Malgus received this boost he 'almost casually' overpowers her lightsaber defense and knocks her out with lightning.

That state of oneness wasn't a 1 time deal either, Malgus permanently grew much more powerful in that fight.

So you're saying they're close in terms of ability and a non amped Malgus would fight evenly with her?

Pretty close, with Malgus being a bit better imo.

You can read their fights in Intrepids Respect thread: They're under lightsaber dueling.

Oneness isn't permanent, neph.

Its not really the same thing as true Oneness but I couldn't think of what else to call it. Malgus himself states that he felt as if he'd become one with the Darkside, as if he was it.

So are you actually trying to say that briefly overpowering a force user is a better feat then collapsing a temple?

It depends on the force user. If that force user can collapse a temple and you overpower them, then its way better yeah.

And has Aryn demonstrated that level of TK?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its not really the same thing as true Oneness but I couldn't think of what else to call it. Malgus himself states that he felt as if he'd become one with the Darkside, as if he was it.

The TOR writers as a whole have no idea on what the Force is, but you're right, the feeling Malgus had very much resembled oneness.

Originally posted by Syndicate
And has Aryn demonstrated that level of TK?

She put up a much better job against Malgus than a Jedi who pulled down two buildings. She was able to throw a 6 car cargo tram with a gesture.

Anakin didn't collapse a temple anyway.

Who was this Jedi who pulled down two buildings? How much did these trams weigh? And yes Anakin did.