It's more that the Japanese audience has different tastes. Something's we no longer like as much still work there. And well Japan will always be their main focus which is why they are so quick to blame western audiences for just not getting it or causing their sales woes.
The markets have drifted farther apart.
Originally posted by Lek KuenAnd I'm really glad for that.
It's more that the Japanese audience has different tastes. Something's we no longer like as much still work there. And well Japan will always be their main focus which is why they are so quick to blame western audiences for just not getting it or causing their sales woes.The markets have drifted farther apart.
It doesn't help that Square is letting the lunatics run the asylum now, or that Bioware has been steadily gaining more and more of the RPG market in the west.
Konami have gone to hell with PES and charging exorbitant prices for what's basically a demo.
Capcom... Holy ****, Capcom.
Namco... Meh.
They can do better; they just refuse to for some reason.
It doesn't help that the last decade to fifteen years or so has seen an insanely sharp rise in western studios putting out truly AAA games.
Capcom is getting better actually. And Namco while still weird is seeing the light and listening to fans more then it once did, even us western fans.
But like I said they are just nori how declines due to them used to be so dominate here. Now they are taking more of the slice the other Japanese studios have who never were shitty just weren't mega corporations. Japan being the biggest thing in all markets was never going to last as games became more accessible for people to make and the market got bigger and more mainstream.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It doesn't help that Square is letting the lunatics run the asylum now, or that Bioware has been steadily gaining more and more of the RPG market in the west.Konami have gone to hell with PES and charging exorbitant prices for what's basically a demo.
Capcom... Holy ****, Capcom.
Namco... Meh.
They can do better; they just refuse to for some reason.
It doesn't help that the last decade to fifteen years or so has seen an insanely sharp rise in western studios putting out truly AAA games.
Also I'd say Bethesda is more responsible for the current western rpg explosion than bioware, even if I like their games less. We have everyone and their momma praising them, even bioware and several japanese studios being like "we looked at skyrim to find out what we were doing wrong" and before that it was oblivion getting lip service.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I like Elder Scroll games, but I find them to be over rated as all Hell.
I really can't agree with this. They get universal praise, particularly Skyrim recently, but it was an absolutely incredible and amazing achievement/experience. I don't think it's a horrendous stretch when people label it one of the greatest of all time.
Originally posted by The RenegadeAgree to disagree.
I really can't agree with this. They get universal praise, particularly Skyrim recently, but it was an absolutely incredible and amazing achievement/experience. I don't think it's a horrendous stretch when people label it one of the greatest of all time.
I recognize what it does right, but Elder Scrolls/Fallout type games are far from my idea of an excellent experience. That is not to say that I didn't enjoy them, because I did, but they need to work on how to make the main quests stand out more. Yes I am aware the games are more about exploration(which I like tbh) And that is kind of difficult with the scope of the game. I'd also get rid of annoying shit like getting encumbered lol.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Agree to disagree.I recognize what it does right, but Elder Scrolls/Fallout type games are far from my idea of an excellent experience. That is not to say that I didn't enjoy them, because I did, but they need to work on how to make the main quests stand out more. Yes I am aware the games are more about exploration(which I like tbh) And that is kind of difficult with the scope of the game. I'd also get rid of annoying shit like getting encumbered lol.
That's fine, if it's far away from your subjective taste. However, Skyrim and most entries into the Elder Scrolls series are not overrated. These are, structually, sound video games that provide a variety of experiences. Sometimes, people's taste differ. The fact that yours does is great. It would be a pretty boring world if everyone loved Skyrim simply because it's great.
However, we cannot confuse our tastes with how well-designed and stable a work of art or work within media is, including games.
Get rid of getting encumbered? I'd like for it to be a bit more realistic but I hope you're not suggest an unlimited inventory! God, that would be a fucking mess. Haha.
Originally posted by The RenegadeAgreed. Skyrim was amazing. I will say though, that vanilla Skyrim wasn't even in my top ten games.
I really can't agree with this. They get universal praise, particularly Skyrim recently, but it was an absolutely incredible and amazing achievement/experience. I don't think it's a horrendous stretch when people label it one of the greatest of all time.
Modded Skyrim, on the other hand, is one of the most amazing video game experiences I've ever had. My god, that was perfection. Definitely one of the greatest video games of all time.
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Capcom is getting better actually. And Namco while still weird is seeing the light and listening to fans more then it once did, even us western fans.But like I said they are just nori how declines due to them used to be so dominate here. Now they are taking more of the slice the other Japanese studios have who never were shitty just weren't mega corporations. Japan being the biggest thing in all markets was never going to last as games became more accessible for people to make and the market got bigger and more mainstream.
Capcom still has a long way to go, imo.
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Also I'd say Bethesda is more responsible for the current western rpg explosion than bioware, even if I like their games less. We have everyone and their momma praising them, even bioware and several japanese studios being like "we looked at skyrim to find out what we were doing wrong" and before that it was oblivion getting lip service.
Agreed @ Bethesda, I'd forgotten about them. I loved Fallout 3. Skyrim... With mods it's really good.
I do think it's overrated to an extent. Not to the extent that it's shit, but I wouldn't consider it one of the best games I've ever played either. Mods help it move up the list, but I still found the story to be a tad unfulfilling.
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
It's more that the Japanese audience has different tastes. Something's we no longer like as much still work there. And well Japan will always be their main focus which is why they are so quick to blame western audiences for just not getting it or causing their sales woes.
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Yeah and the Japanese audience's are fine with the games being the same thing over and over
Originally posted by -Pr-
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Konami have gone to hell with PES and charging exorbitant prices for what's basically a demo.
also with Hideo Kojima putting that Ground Zero's game which is basically the length of a demo and charging $50 for it
From Software & Grasshopper Manufacture are also two other decent Japanese Dev's nowadays.
I keep on wanting to get Ground Zeroes because a. no new games have been released lately and b. been itching to play a good looking new console game....
But I hold back it's still $35 bucks and there is no way I'm paying that for 2 hours of gameplay. As well, I know that EB and co. will give away Ground Zeroes when Phantom Pain comes out.