The ones VS Anakin, Luke, and Yoda · Star Wars Versus Forum

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by ares834
Lucas says as much. When he says "The son could become that ," (or whatever the exact wording is) he is talking about surpassing Palpatine.

"And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor – he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."
-George Lucas, The Cult of Darth Vader

Lord Stark Lord of Winterfell

Originally posted by Raptor22
I don't see it out of the realm of possibility that Luke and Yoda could handle the son and daughter. Luke and kryat were able to handle abeloth (albeit an avatar) and abeloth was able to make the son and daughter kneel before her.

You don't see it out of the realm of possibility that immortal force deities can pwn mortal ones? I dunno man, the ones seem to be on a different league than even the top tiers. Only full potential Anakin can surpass them imo.

Although you could make the argument that because Anakin~The Father, Luke~Son and Daughter.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Anakin was only superior to Son/Daughter on Mortis--a universal Nexus that amplified the Force. Without an uber Force Nexus available to tap into, I don't believe that he would have ever become powerful enough to overpower The Ones--full potential be damned. /shrug

Lord Stark Lord of Winterfell

^Full potential Anakin should be on par with the Father, Nexus or no imo.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

I agree, but FotJ screwed all this up:
Abeloth is 12x the force strength of Luke
The Father is stated to to be the most powerful force user
Lucas states prime Luke=prime Anakin

Therefore, there is no way Prime Anakin can be the most powerful, even though he would be.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Lord Stark
^Full potential Anakin should be on par with the Father, Nexus or no imo.

It's possible, I suppose.

Either way, The Ones are on an entirely different level than any other beings throughout the mythos, that's for sure. 👆

Lord Stark Lord of Winterfell

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I agree, but FotJ screwed all this up:
Abeloth is 12x the force strength of Luke
The Father is stated to to be the most powerful force user
Lucas states prime Luke=prime Anakin
Therefore, there is no way Prime Anakin can be the most powerful, even though he would be.

Again, I don't think prime Luke=prime Anakin. I just think Prime Luke surpassed Sidious.

Raptor22 Senior Member

Originally posted by Lord Stark
You don't see it out of the realm of possibility that immortal force deities can pwn mortal ones? I dunno man, the ones seem to be on a different league than even the top tiers. Only full potential Anakin can surpass them imo.
Although you could make the argument that because Anakin~The Father, Luke~Son and Daughter.

the ones definitely could and most likely would whoop them, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that Luke and yoda could beat the son and daughter. If the fight is on mortis, yoda and especially Luke would be amped pretty substantially. If they fight off Mortis, the son and daughter wouldn't be nearly as powerful as they were on mortis.

Also Abeloth pwned the S&D but Luke and kryat were able to defeat one of her avatars. The question there is what's the power gap between ableoth and her avatars vs the power gap of abeloth and the S&D. I know it's not the greatest comparison but abeloths the only opponent Luke and the S&D have both faced.

Lastly u said only full potential anakin could do that to them but it's been stated Luke could reach that. Add to that the fact that luke has surpassed anakin from that time and anytime for that matter in basicaly every aspect of the force by a large margin. Give him Yoda and it's fairly possible that they could pull it off.

DARTH POWER Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
Anakin was only superior to Son/Daughter on Mortis--a universal Nexus that amplified the Force. Without an uber Force Nexus available to tap into, I don't believe that he would have ever become powerful enough to overpower The Ones--full potential be damned. /shrug

http://starwars.com/explore/encyclopedia/characters/anakinskywalker/

He had the potential to be the most powerful Force-user ever

The Ones also have access to the Amp available on Mortis. The only explanation to Anakin overpowering them, is on top of being "IN THE ZONE" his superior potential allows him a greater amp on Mortis. But then that still means he has superior potential to the Son adn Daughter. But going by that statement on the official site, it seems he had even greater potential than The Father.

The_Tempest Senior Member

It's pretty evident that Anakin would have equaled or surpassed The Father in time, had he been allowed to achieve his potential.

Either way, though, without that skill, the Jedi are crushed, Anakin included.

Emperordmb LSDMB

On a different tangent, Son could easily solo Anakin at the beginning of the fight by showing him his future.