Originally posted by Syndicate
Why would you say he's an expert duelist? From the video he took on a featless Sith Master and an apprentice Malgus actually losing to an apprentice Malgus at the end of the fight.
Because he's the Jedi Battlemaster. "Expert duelist" is in the job description. Also his skill is apparent in the video, don't be difficult.
Even before that battle Malgus was considered one of the greatest warriors in the Empire, hence why he and his Master were leading the attack on Korriban in the first place.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Because he's the Jedi Battlemaster. "Expert duelist" is in the job description. Also his skill is apparent in the video, don't be difficult.Even before that battle Malgus was considered one of the greatest warriors in the Empire, hence why he and his Master were leading the attack on Korriban in the first place.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes it does. Drallig was outmatched by Anakin but he was still extremely skilled in all 7 lightsaber forms. He lost because he was eclipsed in power, which obviously Kao doesn't have a problem with.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Doubtless Malgus was skilled but nowhere near the levels he achieved later.
True.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Also you just agreed that titles don't equal skill and then proceeded to say he's an expert duelist because he was the Jedi battle master.
No, I (kind of) agreed that it didn't necessarily give you the ability to defeat other skilled opponents. I didn't say that it doesn't make him an expert duelist.
Originally posted by Syndicate
If he has no feats and accolades that prove he has the necessary skills to defeat Fisto then he doesn't. He was impressive managing to pick up large metal scrap pieces and hurl them at Malgus along with battling two Sith for an extended period but the fact is he lost to an apprentice Malgus and was overwhelmed. Fisto has superior TK AND dueling feats so while it's close I still have to go with Fisto.
Kao hurling that huge ship engine is above anything I've seen Fisto perform with the Force.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Drallig was granted the rank of Battlemaster, but was handily beaten by Anakin.
As I mentioned before:
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Effectiveness in lightsaber dueling is not a detached development from mastery in the Force, Revan would utterly outclass Jinn in all aspects of combat.
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Originally posted by Syndicate
Fame means nothing. Many people have become Jedi Masters. Title means nothing. I've seen the video before and while he shows some impressive feat non really supersede the feats Fisto demonstrated in his underwater battle.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Why would you say he's an expert duelist? From the video he took on a featless Sith Master and an apprentice Malgus actually losing to an apprentice Malgus at the end of the fight.
Apprenticeship doesn't implies weakness or noobness. As an analogy, Vader remained apprentice of Darth Sidious throughout their co-existence as Dark Lords but was powerful in the ways of the Force nonetheless.
Clear?
Originally posted by Syndicate
Doubtless Malgus was skilled but nowhere near the levels he achieved later.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Also you just agreed that titles don't equal skill and then proceeded to say he's an expert duelist because he was the Jedi battle master. If he has no feats and accolades that prove he has the necessary skills to defeat Fisto then he doesn't. He was impressive managing to pick up large metal scrap pieces and hurl them at Malgus along with battling two Sith for an extended period but the fact is he lost to an apprentice Malgus and was overwhelmed. Fisto has superior TK AND dueling feats so while it's close I still have to go with Fisto.
Also, I am waiting for Fisto's showings.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Creating a bubble of the force strong enough to destroy the legs of a separatist super weapon and casually force pushing aside and entire row of speeder ships is better then picking up an engine.
Whats the source for those feats?
(please don't say Tartovosky clone wars)
Kao Cen Darach wins handily IMO.
Those underwater feats are just so inconsistent with anything else he's shown to do with the Force.
Based on Fisto dying immediately for Sidious, and Darach holding his own against TWO Sith Lords simultaneouisly I'm gonna conclude that Darach is a few tiers above Fisto.
2 Sith lords that in no way shape or form can compare to Sidious one being a featless Sith himself and the other being only an apprentice. 2 other blade masters die almost instantly to Sidious too and it's likely Darach would have fallen even faster. Along with that Fisto's considerable feats as a duelist like beating Grievous and beating Obi Wan in the Cestus Deception far outweigh being beat by a featless Sith master and a Sith apprentice along with the superior TK showings from the OP clone wars series which I'll admit IS OP but still canon he takes this 7-8/10.
The "apprentice" term means nothing. As someone already pointed out; OT Vader was an apprentice for his entire duration as a Sith Lord yet was immensely powerful in the Force and a master duelist.
Darach would've fallen even faster? Really? Because Kolar and Tinn have better feats than what Darach displayed in The Return trailer. Yea, right.
Beating AOTC Kenobi is hardly as impressive as what Darach displayed. Grievous jobs so much in that show it ridiculous. Who hasn't defeated him in one on one combat? Not trying to downplay Fisto's feats there but Darach's is clearly more impressive.
I don't even mind the OG Clone Wars cartoon. But those feats were underwater and very inconsistent from anything else I've seen him do from a power standpoint. This leads me to believe he might just be that much more effective and stronger a fighter underwater which this fight is not.
Vindican isn't so much of a pushover either. His lighting visibly moved that escaping starship, seemed proficient in the use of the double bladed lightsaber(atleast TPM Maul level who is more or less Kit Fisto level overall), and fought on after having his eye slashed.
Fine then suffice it to say Malgus was far from his prime.
That's just like how another guy said since Darach was the temple blademaster it automatically makes him skilled Kolar and Tinn were also blademasters so the equivalence stand unless the Darach fan wants to admit that a title does not bring an automatic measure of skill.
It was not AOTC Obi Wan it was closer to Prime ROTS Obi Wan. Trying or not you are downplaying them, it was a legitimate win against an opponent who has fought evenly with Mace Windu.
But there's no proof of that. It can just as easily be said that it took even more power to accomplish those feats because of the distorted water pressure. Not that I'm saying that happened but neither am I lessening his feats.
It didn't move the ship the ship was moving away from them already. Woah woah woah did you just say a nameless and featless Sith in Maul's equivalent? No. Just no.