Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You mean with the long preparation that is required?
***** please, Sidious will close the gap before Vitiate can scream for his Imperial Guard. Then Sidious will personally find the Imperial Guard, and solo them all while drinking a space martini.
No. With the speed of thought.
No. Canon Sids has no speed. None of the Strike Team could reach Vitiate before he Force pwned them, Sidious isn't either.
Anyway, I hope this discussion is highlighting how dumb and annoying it is to seperate Legends and Canon like this. This is the EU forum, we should be including everything like we did less than a week ago.
Canon Sids has no speed.
Must I even point out, it takes Vitiate a little while to even begin to try to TP Revan the second time. Revan had the time to summon a huge force blast while the Emperor was trying to TP him. Sidious can easily close the gap during this.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Because toying with Maul and Savage and speed blitzing three Council Members isn't speed? 😂Must I even point out, it takes Vitiate a little while to even begin to try to TP Revan the second time. Revan had the time to summon a huge force blast while the Emperor was trying to TP him. Sidious can easily close the gap during this.
Yes to the first and I'm not sure he even blitzed them anymore. Canonically.
Because Revan created a defense against Vitiate like I said. Sidious' mind is unprotected.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No. With the speed of thought.No. Canon Sids has no speed. None of the Strike Team could reach Vitiate before he Force pwned them, Sidious isn't either.
Anyway, I hope this discussion is highlighting how dumb and annoying it is to seperate Legends and Canon like this. This is the EU forum, we should be including everything like we did less than a week ago.
I imagine the thread creator should have the option to specify, such as old rules, new rules, canon only, Legends only, etc. That's only fair.
But eventually, nu-EU will throw things off again. It's a band-aid.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan specifically came up with a defense against Vitiate after already getting pwned in the past.Sidious hasn't. Sidious gets the Scourge treatment and whimpers on the floor like a little baby while his allies get slaughtered.
What Revan did to Vitiate was not a defense against the attack, otherwise Vitiate would not have been able to probe his mind, which he did. The dark presence Revan felt entering his mind was Vitiate telepathically connecting to his mind. What Revan did, was a counter attack against Vitiate's telepathic assault, which was successful in breaking the connection.
If the attack happens instantly, then Revan should have been dominated the instant Vitiate connected to his mind, which he wasn't. The attack is not instantaneously, which is why Revan retaliated with the dark side/light side combo, which was nothing more than using both sides of the force to use TK against Vitiate.
Why do you think Vitiate didn't try that again against the jedi strike team? He overpowered them first with lightning.
Please, Scourge is a weak willed who already fears Vitiate to begin with. Furthermore, doesn't Vitiate have some sort of force bond with Scourge? Doesn't he already have control over his mind?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yes, don't act like I haven't read the Revan book 4 times.
1 for reading it
2 for Scourge accoaldes
3 for Revan accoaldes
4 for the love of RevanHowever, is Revan not referring to his TK? Because his "trick" was Force spam.
For having read it 4 times you don't see to have read it very closely.
“I can shield my mind."
Right, that totally means Force spam. Shielding is the same as attacking. 👆
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
What Revan did to Vitiate was not a defense against the attack, otherwise Vitiate would not have been able to probe his mind, which he did. The dark presence Revan felt entering his mind was Vitiate telepathically connecting to his mind. What Revan did, was a counter attack against Vitiate's telepathic assault, which was successful in breaking the connection.If the attack happens instantly, then Revan should have been dominated the instant Vitiate connected to his mind, which he wasn't. The attack is not instantaneously, which is why Revan retaliated with the dark side/light side combo, which was nothing more than using both sides of the force to use TK against Vitiate.
Why do you think Vitiate didn't try that again against the jedi strike team? He overpowered them first with lightning.
Please, Scourge is a weak willed who already fears Vitiate to begin with. Furthermore, doesn't Vitiate have some sort of force bond with Scourge? Doesn't he already have control over his mind?
Nope: "Revan began to sense the oppressive presence of the dark side weighing down on him. The Emperor was trying to crush his will: to dominate and enslave his mind as he had before." Vitiate didn't actually enter his mind.
Nope: “I can shield my mind from being dominated by his will, and I can show you how to do the same.” Revan was shielding his mind from Vitiate, who had to try to break Revans mental defenses, leaving himself open.
Why didn't Sidious snap Savages neck when he had him pinned against a window?
It has nothing to do with Scourges pre-existing fear, nor does Vitiate have a connection to Scourge at this point, or ever no. This is what occurs: "Scourge cried out in anguish as the Emperor’s mind brushed against his, then he collapsed to the floor, shaking like a child. The touch lasted less than a second, but in that time he witnessed indescribable horrors that dwarfed anything the dark side could conjure even in his worst nightmares. And beneath the formless terrors lurked the unbearable Void, the pure emptiness of total annihilation."
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
While then in the actual fight, he shows "I can shield my mind" by just using telekinesis on Vitiate.
However, that is not the point. The point is Vitiate cannot close the gap in a couple micro seconds.
No, he resists Vitiates attack for a bit and counters while he's trying to dominate him. And he doesn't use TK anyway. You sure you've read it 4 times?
I know. He's going to use telepathy instead.
No, he resists Vitiates attack for a bit and counters while he's trying to dominate him. And he doesn't use TK anyway. You sure you've read it 4 times?I know. He's going to use telepathy instead.
I was under the assumption his resistance was rather Vitiate just taking a while to crack him .
Revan says he can shield his mind from him, and he taught the others how no less. I don't see how this could possibly be interpreted as 'blast the ****er.' That makes no sense. Combined with the end of the book:
"The answers were all there, but Revan would not surrender them easily. Though he was physically helpless, mentally he was strong enough to wage war against the Emperor, guarding and protecting his secrets for however long it might take.
And Revan knew something the Emperor did not. The connection between them went both ways. There were brief moments—times when the Emperor was intently focused on something else—when he could subvert their relationship by planting seeds in the Emperor’s thoughts.
He had to be careful, lest his enemy discover what he was doing. But he was able to push and nudge the Emperor’s own thoughts and beliefs, subtly manipulating them in ways that could have profound effects. Revan played on the Emperor’s caution and patience, constantly pushing them to the forefront of his enemy’s mind. He augmented his irrational fear of death. At every opportunity he reinforced the idea that invading the Republic was reckless and dangerous."
I think its pretty obvious that Revan knows how to mentally resist Vitiate.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes to the first and I'm not sure he even blitzed them anymore. Canonically.
Sidious did speed blitz them. Why else were they unable to react? How is still accepting the movies as canon change the fact that Sidious blitzed them? It was in the movies in which this feat was performed, not the EU. I've posted a commentary of Ian McDiarmid stating that his character was suppose to be 100 times faster than any jedi when discussing that scene. Sidious was intended to be faster than any jedi, with only Mace and Yoda being able to compete as per Lucas. Nothing about that feat has changed.
You going out of your way to try to dismiss it on account of Vitiate, or hardly any EU character for that matter, being unable to replicate such speed, is no different than LeGenD's way of debating (which says a lot because I actually thought highly of you as a debater). You're mad at the fact that even limiting Sidious feats to just his movie and TCW cartoon feats is still not enough to water him down; even without his EU feats, he's still the most dominant sith in terms of combat lol.
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