The ROTS Novel confirms that Grievous's max speed when attacking with all arms is 20 strikes per second. In his fight with Ventress however, he is attacking with one arm at a time, which would reduce his number of strikes considerably.
Path of Destruction confirms that Kas'im when fighting with a saberstaff strikes ten strikes per second, and his application of Jar'kai is faster, which would be around 15 strikes per second.
Originally posted by EmperordmbCan you provide the quote of Kas'im laying down 10 strikes per second, and the quote displaying the hard number that Jar'Kai increases his attack speed by?
The ROTS Novel confirms that Grievous's max speed when attacking with all arms is 20 strikes per second. In his fight with Ventress however, he is attacking with one arm at a time, which would reduce his number of strikes considerably.Path of Destruction confirms that Kas'im when fighting with a saberstaff strikes ten strikes per second, and his application of Jar'kai is faster, which would be around 15 strikes per second.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
His 10 strikes per second thing was also on an immensely powerful nexus of dark side energy, though.
Though if we are going to start playing the Nexus card, Ventress did beat Grievous on Dathomir...
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Can you provide the quote of Kas'im laying down 10 strikes per second, and the quote displaying the hard number that Jar'Kai increases his attack speed by?
Bane also notes that Kas'im "seemed to wield six blades rather than two" when jumping into Jar'kai. Given that he already had two connected blades before that point, I won't say his speed doubled, but given that Bane noticed it, it obviously increased significantly, which would place it around 15 strikes per second.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Why are you assuming that when the author refers to heartbeat he's referring to a rate of 200 per minute? That's a variable with no basis. He didn't say that "a half dozen strikes per *their* heartbeats. How do you know he's not referring to the general heartbeat of 1 per second?
Yet Bane's speed is exactly the same on a place far less strong in the dark side? You might be putting too much weight on Nexuses.
Not really.
The weaker nexus of Vjun increased Dooku's fighting capabilities to almost perfectly equal Yoda's, while the AotC novel emphasizes just how large the difference between Yoda and Dooku is.
"Dooku went into a wild flurry then, the likes of which he had not shown against Obi-Wan or Anakin, raining blows at the diminutive Master. But Yoda didn't even seem to move. He didn't step back or to the side, yet his subtle dodges and precision parries kept Dooku's blade slashing and stabbing harmlessly wide."
In another powerful Nexus, the Yavin IV Temples, Kun's amulet blasts contained enough power to blast through stone dams, incinerate sithspawn, and blow gaping holes in leviathans. When outside of these temples, his Force Blasts are somewhat akin to Dooku's lightning.
A third and final example, which is from the same situation your argument is from, where Bane in his weakest incarnation collapses the Temple of the Ancients, which is a feat leagues beyond the scale of anything he ever achieved, even in his strongest incarnations.
The effects of a Nexus are not overrated my friend, they're actually vastly underrated.
Though if we are going to start playing the Nexus card, Ventress did beat Grievous on Dathomir... [/B]
Yep.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
That's rather arbitrary. Most Jedi's fighting speed probably "approaches" Greivous'. Can you substantiate that?
I have provided evidence for Kas'im being at ten with a saberstaff, a previous speed feat from Bane substantiating that fighting speed claim, and a line of logic that implies somewhere around fifteen with Jar'kai.
How did the Vjun nexus put Dooku on "near perfect footing" with Yoda? Yoda managed to run Dooku off in their duel while focusing on levitating that maid in the air after Dooku tossed her out the window. Yoda couldn't even put his full attention on Dooku during their fight.
Originally posted by EmperordmbIf you're referring to the argument that you provided above, I addressed it, and you didn't respond to my points, instead going on some tangent about Bane.
Most Jedis' fighting speed do not approach Grievous's max speed. Kenobi is one of the faster Jedi of his time and he was being overwhelmed by Grievous's max speed of 20 per second.I have provided evidence for Kas'im being at ten with a saberstaff, a previous speed feat from Bane substantiating that fighting speed claim, and a line of logic that implies somewhere around fifteen with Jar'kai.
So, substantiate the 15 strikes per second assertion.