Lord Kas'im vs Asajj Ventress

Started by Emperordmb2 pages

Edit: never mind... didn't notice the previous posts

Reread the fight, dude. The fight only really begins after the maid is in safety, there is only one clash during this period, and Dooku gets a hit on Yoda at that point.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
...what?

Actually, he's right on that. Dooku only hit Yoda when Yoda was distracted. Otherwise, even with the nexus (which in most cases provides a very unmeasurable boost when it does at all) did not make him equal to Yoda. Yoda was winning anyways.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Edit: never mind... didn't notice the previous posts
See my edit.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Actually, he's right on that. Dooku only hit Yoda when Yoda was distracted. Otherwise, even with the nexus (which in most cases provides a very unmeasurable boost when it does at all) did not make him equal to Yoda. Yoda was winning anyways.

Yeah I know my bad. I didn't look at the previous posts, so I just saw him talking about Yoda and Dooku and I was very confused.

Count Dooku lashed out with his lightsaber. Yoda took a quick step back and felt the heat of the red blade as it sliced the air centimeters from his tunic. He jumped, spun, and struck at Dooku's back before he landed. Dooku turned aside at the last moment, whipping his blade across the space where Yoda was seconds earlier. Facing each other again, their blades met, clashed, froze.

Yoda dropped and rolled to the side, his lightsaber blazing, reaching for Dooku's ankles. Dooku leapt up and flipped backwards landing lightly to face Yoda squarely. On his feet again, Yoda whirled and struck at Dooku, his green blade meeting Dooku's and pushing him back. Dooku attacked with reckless abandon fueled with hatred. Their blades hummed together, hissing and sparking. Dooku brought his blade down toward the diminutive Jedi Master and Yoda parried, locking his blade against Dooku's.

I don't see much disparity while on Vjun. It was definitely a lot closer than in AotC.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If you're referring to the argument that you provided above, I addressed it, and you didn't respond to my points, instead going on some tangent about Bane.

So, substantiate the 15 strikes per second assertion.


Your response to my argument was a challenge as to what it meant by a heart beat. Given that Bane shared this speed feat with Kas'im, and that he managed the exact same speed (10 strikes per second) earlier on, my interpretation of a heartbeat in the context of their fight makes more sense, because your interpretation would suggest that Bane is underperforming by quite a bit here.

What is this Bane feat you're referring too? Can you quote it?

The funny part of this all, though, is that you use the nexus feat in debates because the "earlier on" feat you keep mentioning isn't really at all as impressive as you make it out to be either.

Also--Why would Bane's hearbeat be at the maximum for humans? The more fit you are, the slower your heart rate is.

Of course I can.

"In the blink of an eye he knocked the saber from Sirak's hand, sliced down to shatter his forearm, then spun through and brought his saber crashing into his opponent's lower leg. For an instant none of the spectators was even aware of what had happened; it took their minds a moment to catch up and register the blur of action that had occurred so much quicker than their eyes could see.”-POD
Bane strikes three times in the blink of an eye, which is around .3 seconds. Multiply this to one second, and you once again get ten strikes per second.

Yep, that's on a Nexus too. lol. It's a weaker Nexus though.

Even if it wasn't, moving faster than the eye can see isn't something Ventress hasn't done.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yep, that's on a Nexus too. lol.

Yet there is no discrepancy between the two feats despite how vastly stronger in the Dark Side Lehon apparently is? Apparently the increments of a nexus don't mean very much.

I see.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yet there is no discrepancy between the two feats despite how vastly stronger in the Dark Side Lehon apparently is? Apparently the increments of a nexus don't mean very much.

I wouldn't say that. Bane's performance against an overwhelmingly weak opponent is likely going to be better than against someone stronger than himself.

And we don't see him imploding the Sith Academy when he uses the Force on Korriban. That's a good indicator of the difference.

I'm also not sure why we're even arguing this. Even if Kas'im could strike 10 times per second, Ventress still has speed feats that are just as good, it likely won't even be a factor.

But his speed is more impressive to Bane when he's wielding Jar'kai.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I wouldn't say that. Bane's performance against an overwhelmingly weak opponent is likely going to be better than against someone stronger than himself.

And we don't see him imploding the Sith Academy when he uses the Force on Korriban. That's a good indicator of the difference.


Right because the competence of his opponent really impacts his speed. If anything he would've had to fight faster to keep up with Kas'im.

He was also totally not trying to implode that academy.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Right because the competence of his opponent really impacts his speed. If anything he would've had to fight faster to keep up with Kas'im.

He was also totally not trying to implode that academy.

1.) That's a good point.

2.) Bane didn't seem to have the intention of bringing down the Temple judging from the text. It seemed his initial attempt was to simply obliterate Kas'im with the Force Wave, and even though he blocked it he was double-whammy'd by the temple collapsing.