Back to Vulcan.
He can create shields on a whim.
http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media-full/Vulcan/fights/fight%206/5.jpg.html
http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/fights/fight%206/6.jpg.html
An eldest was getting his power from a billion people. Vulcan completely shut that off.
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His control of energy doesn't have an equal. Can't see Strange winning this.
Originally posted by carver9
Back to Vulcan.He can create shields on a whim.
http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media-full/Vulcan/fights/fight%206/5.jpg.html
http://s209.photobucket.com/user/RespectThread/media/Vulcan/fights/fight%206/6.jpg.htmlAn eldest was getting his power from a billion people. Vulcan completely shut that off.
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His control of energy doesn't have an equal. Can't see Strange winning this.
Originally posted by Digi
Thinking too linearly. What happens if Strange decides to take the battle to the astral plane, or something even less exotic like going intangible? It's not just blast vs. manipulation.
Others have added other viable scenarios, all of which are within his canon. In any case, your whole argument is based on Strange doing exactly what you want him to, when SO much else is at his disposal.
Strange isn't really magic though so you can't really drain him. He could drain some attacks sure, but as far as actually draining Strange like Warlock? Not seeing it.
He's essentially a human with vast magic knowledge. He's not really empowered by the magic. He can be, but he does not start that way.
A straight up assault might not work but it's not like the guy doesn't regularly attack people's minds. Plus it'd be interesting to see how far Vulcan's control goes if the Crimson Bands or the Rings come out.
Bran, don't you get it???
Vulcan has not shown any limit to what energies he can control. Cytorrak? Bah! He'll straight up control that shyte. I think there's a fallacy about it, but who cares?
Also, prove that he'd do it in battle. But as soon as you do, I'll poke fun at how old your scans are, even though it has no bearing on their validity.
There, summarised.
Guys I agree with what most are saying here. My only question is how manipulation of magical energies can interfere with a spell. Say, Strange becomes intangible, could Vulcan control the magic energies in order to mess with the spells?
Could he reverse summoning this way too? If the answer is no, then vulcan’s screwed. In a casual comic fight though (especially the way they tend to be written these days) I wouldn’t be surprised if Vulcan turns Strange magicks against him.
Originally posted by Warlord
Guys I agree with what most are saying here. My only question is how manipulation of magical energies can interfere with a spell. Say, Strange becomes intangible, could Vulcan control the magic energies in order to mess with the spells?
Could he reverse summoning this way too? If the answer is no, then vulcan’s screwed. In a casual comic fight though (especially the way they tend to be written these days) I wouldn’t be surprised if Vulcan turns Strange magicks against him.
I think we are all in agreement, that if Strange restricted himself to blasting magical energy bolts at Vulcan, or summoning armour and going h2h against Vulcan, there is a VERY good chance he would get his sh!t pushed in.
No real debate there.
CIS is still in effect, after all.
But PIS isn't. On the one hand, you have a guy with knowledge of all these spells, and basic knowledge of his opponent (he manipulates energy). Strange isn't Rhino - otherwise we'd have a stupid Sorceror Supreme, who was also a world class surgeon etc.
So all those times where he DIDN'T pull out his timestopping spells etc? Would you really, as carver seems to be doing, class it as CIS? Or, more likely, PIS? Which, when switched off in a forum fight, means he wins, handily.
Don't forget, mages in Marvel are mostly just normal people who have memorised all these different cheat codes for the universe - and know exactly when to use which spell.
Imagine you have memorised lyrics to every song ever written. And have been challenged to hold a conversation with someone using only the first lines of each song. Would you just repeat the opening lyrics to Hotel California over and over and over again?
Haha, for sure. But if you want to be worthy of the title Rapmaster Supreme, you can't just keep repeating the same line over and over again, correct? You'd actually have to adapt, change tactics, try different lyrics etc.
And so it is with Strange. He may or may not timestop (for example) as soon as the battle commences. He might. But he could equally come out blasting (assuming he doesn't know what Vulcan can do). When the blasting tactic fails.....would he continue blasting? Come now, he's not THAT stupid.
Also, since no one called him out on it:
Originally posted by carver9An eldest was getting his power from a billion people. Vulcan completely shut that off.
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Where does it say a billion people? Vulcan says he draws power from his people - MAYBE his entire species. Also, how powerful are each of these people? I can draw on the absolute strength of a billion/million/trillion amoebas, it means nothing.
Being facetious? Perhaps. But it is absolutely conducive to this discussion, when one side is using this unquantifiable feat as a measure of his power. Cutting his mental link off also means squat. Luthor severed Swamp Thing's connection to the Green - so ST's ability to draw power from the entire UNIVERSE. With a device he drew on a napkin in 10 mins.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, since no one called him out on it:Where does it say a billion people? Vulcan says he draws power from his people - MAYBE his entire species. Also, how powerful are each of these people? I can draw on the absolute strength of a billion/million/trillion amoebas, it means nothing.
Being facetious? Perhaps. But it is absolutely conducive to this discussion, when one side is using this unquantifiable feat as a measure of his power. Cutting his mental link off also means squat. Luthor severed Swamp Thing's connection to the Green - so ST's ability to draw power from the entire UNIVERSE. With a device he drew on a napkin in 10 mins.
It was stated during that comic. Also, the guy was strong enough to break Gladiator wrist, EASILY, but, you made good arguments so I am at a 50/50 here. Good job Dark.
I'm not convinced about Warlock and exactly what "quantum magic" was all about. The very fact they made a big deal about calling it that made me think whatever it was is different to anything Strange does.
As far a Strange goes, if he goes in just blasting he may well lose. But there are lots of other attacks, like opening up a portal into a dimensional plane where Vulcan's powers don't work or he just plain dies, sleep spell/vapors of valtor, astral plane, summoning creatures, intangibility, possibly creating poisons/toxins etc. Vulcan didn't do well against Gladiator - he had his limits.
Originally posted by basilisk
I'm not convinced about Warlock and exactly what "quantum magic" was all about. The very fact they made a big deal about calling it that made me think whatever it was is different to anything Strange does.As far a Strange goes, if he goes in just blasting he may well lose. But there are lots of other attacks, like opening up a portal into a dimensional plane where Vulcan's powers don't work or he just plain dies, sleep spell/vapors of valtor, astral plane, summoning creatures, intangibility, possibly creating poisons/toxins etc. Vulcan didn't do well against Gladiator - he had his limits.
Vulcan was upgraded AFTER his fight against Gladiator. Even during that time, before falling, he took out the entire Shiar army of super humans (only a few was left standing). Before that he took out a team of X men with ease as well. He was clearly a team buster. The only time he really had trouble with people was during sneak attacks etc... face to face, everyone got wrecked.
Originally posted by carver9
Vulcan was upgraded AFTER his fight against Gladiator. Even during that time, before falling, he took out the entire Shiar army of super humans (only a few was left standing). Before that he took out a team of X men with ease as well. He was clearly a team buster. The only time he really had trouble with people was during sneak attacks etc... face to face, everyone got wrecked.
Good. Now respond to the other part of his post - the part that deals with non-direct ways Strange can win.
