Originally posted by Inhumannope, as I feel that was a jobbing Galactus against Thor (very low showing).
"Superman wins", is carefully hidden in that reply.
So it doesn't count in a forum fight.
Galactus could one shot Superman in a forum fight.
Here, a high end Superman has the strength to damage Destroyer. What are Destroyers durability feats? What are a Supermans strength feats? Compare the two and you see I have a point.
Originally posted by bbrem123I disagree. Thor has survived prolonged battles with the Destroyer. The only Superman with a chance is a high end Superman. Also Destroyer can be bfred
abhi actually said that destroyer wins in the beginning of the threadand i agree with above. Destroyer is one of those characters that is made to shit on HH like supes and thor
No it can not be BFR'd, at least not by Superman. The construct can teleport. You also asked for some durability feats? Well let's just say that it's more durable than Mjolnir in most cases. I don't see Superman punching Mjolnir apart, much less damaging the Destroyer. However I could see Superman breaking his hands while trying to damage it. Just remember that it's a magical construct, and in many cases Superman's strength is defied by magical beings.
Destroyer has actually been stated to be more durable than adamantium.
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Originally posted by Stoicprove it can teleport. Not that I don't believe you but I just wanna see for myself.
No it can not be BFR'd, at least not by Superman. The construct can teleport. You also asked for some durability feats? Well let's just say that it's more durable than Mjolnir in most cases. I don't see Superman punching Mjolnir apart, much less damaging the Destroyer. However I could see Superman breaking his hands while trying to damage it. Just remember that it's a magical construct, and in many cases Superman's strength is defied by magical beings.
Destroyer has no durability feats beyond a high end Superman's strength feats. Destroyer was getting punched around by Thor with the slightest damage to Thor's fists.
Originally posted by Branlor Swifta high end Superman has feats greater than any durability feats by destroyer. He also has basic knowledge. A high end Superman would definitely damage the hell out of the destroyer.
Wait, the notion that the Destroyer gets BFR'ed while Loki is in it is even being discussed?You could add Thor to Superman's side and they'd still get stomped. Surfer too. This is a stupid thread.
Simply prove it can teleport. Loki is animating it, not inside it.
First off, the Asgardian Destroyer's capabilities depend on who is actually within the armor, or I should say who's spirit is within the armor. This is something that you need to understand H1a8. Loki can teleport. You should also come to terms that what Thor can do, does not translate into what Superman can do, nor should you ever believe the fallacy of whatever Thor can do, Superman can do better. there are simply things that Thor can do that are not within Superman's power set, and vice versa.There may be instances where Superman may be able to contend with the Destroyer due to the spirit inhabiting it, while other times he would be turned into a grease spot. In this case, he would be turned into a grease spot. Why I bother typing this out for you is an obvious waste of time, because it's obvious to me that you have no idea what the Destroyer has done in the past against Thor, nor do you realize that the Destroyer was made of sterner stuff than Thor's hammer.
This is something that the writers that had Thor putting damage on the construct failed to show. So why don't we just take one showing, and ignore the rest? This is what you're doing here BTW. Superman may even take more damage than Thor does from the construct due to its magical nature.
Originally posted by Stoic
First off, the Asgardian Destroyer's capabilities depend on who is actually within the armor, or I should say who's spirit is within the armor. This is something that you need to understand H1a8. Loki can teleport. You should also come to terms that what Thor can do, does not translate into what Superman can do, nor should you ever believe the fallacy of whatever Thor can do, Superman can do better. there are simply things that Thor can do that are not within Superman's power set, and vice versa.There may be instances where Superman may be able to contend with the Destroyer due to the spirit inhabiting it, while other times he would be turned into a grease spot. In this case, he would be turned into a grease spot. Why I bother typing this out for you is an obvious waste of time, because it's obvious to me that you have no idea what the Destroyer has done in the past against Thor, nor do you realize that the Destroyer was made of sterner stuff than Thor's hammer.This is something that the writers that had Thor putting damage on the construct failed to show. So why don't we just take one showing, and ignore the rest? This is what you're doing here BTW. Superman may even take more damage than Thor does from the construct due to its magical nature.
I only need to understand what can be proven. I don't disagree but I'm asking for proof. Where has it been shown that Destroyer can teleport with a spirit animating him?
If Spidey can lift a car and Superman is stronger but never lifted a car then clearly Superman can lift a car too. So yes, since Superman is vastly stronger and more durable than Thor, then he can do ANYTHING Thor can do physically.
Second, I'm arguing a high end Superman (not a low end or average one). I'm saying that a high end Superman is the one that has a chance here. To prevent a no limit fallacy we go by feats to gauge power levels. Superman's high end feats shits on Destroyer's durability feats.
Just because Destroyer looks more durable (made of metal) doesn't mean he is. Hell, Colossus looks more durable than Superman. But we all know the truth.
Originally posted by h1a8
I only need to understand what can be proven. I don't disagree but I'm asking for proof. Where has it been shown that Destroyer can teleport with a spirit animating him?If Spidey can lift a car and Superman is stronger but never lifted a car then clearly Superman can lift a car too. So yes, since Superman is vastly stronger and more durable than Thor, then he can do ANYTHING Thor can do physically.
Second, I'm arguing a high end Superman (not a low end or average one). I'm saying that a high end Superman is the one that has a chance here. To prevent a no limit fallacy we go by feats to gauge power levels. Superman's high end feats shits on Destroyer's durability feats.
Just because Destroyer looks more durable (made of metal) doesn't mean he is. Hell, Colossus looks more durable than Superman. But we all know the truth.
So let me get this straight. You can use a high end Superman, but the Destroyer that jobbed to Thor is the one that must be used here? You don't want a no limits fallacy in play, but you want to use a high end Superman as a means to use a no limits fallacy without saying that you are. Is this correct? Of course it is.
You want to ignore the fact that the Destroyer can fly on its very own, the idea that Loki can teleport, and use this while in the Destroyer, you want to ignore that the Destroyer is more durable than Mjolnir, and adamantium as well (it was enchanted to be more durable than both). But Superman will be able to damage it. I guess Superman could punch apart Mjolnir as well right? You want to ignore the fact that the Destroyer is a magical construct that would likely blow right through Superman's un-enchanted defenses (you know, like how Captain Marvel, and Black Adam can).
You want to ignore that it can take hits from Odin in the form of force blasts, physical attacks, and take God blasts from Thor without faltering. So let's just end it here. In your opinion, Superman can take Galactus, Odin, the Destroyer, and any number of high level Cosmics together when he's in his high end state, because he has the power to move 50 Earth weights while no one has any idea of where you got these numbers from. And you're asking for proof? Figures.
from my knowledge, thor is slightly lesser to superman physically.
And destroyer smacks thor all around with ease.
So for me it comes to, is superman holding back or not? (he usually holds back on earth or with people near)
If so, he gets stomped, if not, destroyer is heavily damages and so is supes.
(bcuz normally supes wont let the thing go murder people)
Originally posted by Cinder
from my knowledge, thor is slightly lesser to superman physically.And destroyer smacks thor all around with ease.
So for me it comes to, is superman holding back or not? (he usually holds back on earth or with people near)
If so, he gets stomped, if not, destroyer is heavily damages and so is supes.
(bcuz normally supes wont let the thing go murder people)
And usually this would be true, but the Destroyer is several steps above Superman. Even if he doesn't hold back he still isn't winning this. The Destroyer was written down, and due to that small era, people think that Thor normally puts damage on the construct. this is far from the truth. All you would need to do is use logic. If the Destroyer was enchanted to be more durable than Thor's hammer, do you think Superman's fists are going to damage it? If you believe this, then Superman would be able to punch Thor's hammer into dust particles. I don't believe that he can.
When Superman fought Doomsday, was he holding back? Does he ever hold back when he fights that monster? I mean once he realized that he could be killed by it. IMO the Destroyer, would break Doomsday pretty easily, and Superman has no business really being compared to a construct fashioned to take on Celestial Cosmic beings.
Originally posted by Stoic
So let me get this straight. You can use a high end Superman, but the Destroyer that jobbed to Thor is the one that must be used here? You don't want a no limits fallacy in play, but you want to use a high end Superman as a means to use a no limits fallacy without saying that you are. Is this correct? Of course it is.You want to ignore the fact that the Destroyer can fly on its very own, the idea that Loki can teleport, and use this while in the Destroyer, you want to ignore that the Destroyer is more durable than Mjolnir, and adamantium as well (it was enchanted to be more durable than both). But Superman will be able to damage it. I guess Superman could punch apart Mjolnir as well right? You want to ignore the fact that the Destroyer is a magical construct that would likely blow right through Superman's un-enchanted defenses (you know, like how Captain Marvel, and Black Adam can).
You want to ignore that it can take hits from Odin in the form of force blasts, physical attacks, and take God blasts from Thor without faltering. So let's just end it here. In your opinion, Superman can take Galactus, Odin, the Destroyer, and any number of high level Cosmics together when he's in his high end state, because he has the power to move 50 Earth weights while no one has any idea of where you got these numbers from. And you're asking for proof? Figures.
I'm not using a high end Superman here. I'm speaking of a hypothetical situation, nothing more. If-then statement. Basic logic 101.
I never seen Destroyer fly on its own. I never seen Destroyer teleport. I'm not denying this. Just want proof and Ill drop it. Till then he can't do such things. Is that simple?
Let's assume that Destroyer is more durable than adamantium (I like proof of this). We still don't know how much more durable it is. It could be slightly more durable for all we know. Also, Uru isn't very durable. It's the enchantment that makes it durable. For example, Mjolnir can be more durable than Destroyer itself. King Thor decapitated Destroyer with Mjolnir and dented Cap's shield.
Superman has showings against magic. That's why I said a high end Superman could win. Also why does Superman have to get touched at all? He's insanely faster than Destroyer. And having basic knowledge, Superman knows what Destroyer can do. He wouldn't be stupid enough to purposely to just sit there and let Destroyer hit him.
Energy blasts aren't the same as physical hits. What durability feats does Destroyer have that's comparable or beyond tanking 1 Earth weight of force (I won't even mention 50 Earth weights).
I already proved the 50 Earth weights of force multiple times. Where were you? Want me to prove it again?
Originally posted by Stoic
And usually this would be true, but the Destroyer is several steps above Superman. Even if he doesn't hold back he still isn't winning this. The Destroyer was written down, and due to that small era, people think that Thor normally puts damage on the construct. this is far from the truth. All you would need to do is use logic. If the Destroyer was enchanted to be more durable than Thor's hammer, do you think Superman's fists are going to damage it? If you believe this, then Superman would be able to punch Thor's hammer into dust particles. I don't believe that he can.When Superman fought Doomsday, was he holding back? Does he ever hold back when he fights that monster? I mean once he realized that he could be killed by it. IMO the Destroyer, would break Doomsday pretty easily, and Superman has no business really being compared to a construct fashioned to take on Celestial Cosmic beings.
I'll be completely honest with you, there is no way any superman at all will beat the destroyer, but I don't think he'd out and out lose either. He'd proly get his butt kicked though lol
