Superman vs the Destroyer

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not using a high end Superman here. I'm speaking of a hypothetical situation, nothing more. If-then statement. Basic logic 101.

I never seen Destroyer fly on its own. I never seen Destroyer teleport. I'm not denying this. Just want proof and Ill drop it. Till then he can't do such things. Is that simple?

Let's assume that Destroyer is more durable than adamantium (I like proof of this). We still don't know how much more durable it is. It could be slightly more durable for all we know. Also, Uru isn't very durable. It's the enchantment that makes it durable. For example, Mjolnir can be more durable than Destroyer itself. King Thor decapitated Destroyer with Mjolnir and dented Cap's shield.

Superman has showings against magic. That's why I said a high end Superman could win. Also why does Superman have to get touched at all? He's insanely faster than Destroyer. And having basic knowledge, Superman knows what Destroyer can do. He wouldn't be stupid enough to purposely to just sit there and let Destroyer hit him.

Energy blasts aren't the same as physical hits. What durability feats does Destroyer have that's comparable or beyond tanking 1 Earth weight of force (I won't even mention 50 Earth weights).

I already proved the 50 Earth weights of force multiple times. Where were you? Want me to prove it again?

King thor effortlessly destroyed cap's shield.

Normal thor threw mjolnir at destroyer and it usually bounces off, or knocks destroyer bakc like 20 feet tops.

Destroyer is basically gonna tank anything from mjolnir/wolverines claws/supermans fist.

Originally posted by Cinder
King thor effortlessly destroyed cap's shield.

Normal thor threw mjolnir at destroyer and it usually bounces off, or knocks destroyer bakc like 20 feet tops.

Destroyer is basically gonna tank anything from mjolnir/wolverines claws/supermans fist.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are stating opinions and not fact. A regular Superman, you are right. But a high end Superman, no. Superman's feats are beyond Destroyer's durability feats. How are you supposed to believe a high end Superman can't damage Destroyer?

Well, I beleive superman MIGHT be able to damage it, if he tries hard at high end.

However he won't be able to defend as well as the destroyer will, which would result in a loss for supes.

(edit, some evidence I was a bit wrong. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/134088/3703132-4338920854-Thorv.jpg

destroyer manages to slice mjolnir

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11/117566/2558098-mjolnir_is_broken.jpg

couldn't find any throws)

Superman was slapped into the Moon, and passed out. if that was the force of 50 Earth weights, the Moon would have been demolished. Old King Thor, was just hit so hard by Galactus, that the Moon was broken into several pieces. He shrugged it off, as if it didn't happen, and was right back in Galactus' face. Again Superman was blacking out from being smacked onto the surface of the Moon, that only made a small crater. logic 101, which you seem to be missing here.

Mjolnir reacts favorably to the Odin force which Thor had when he did those feats. The Destroyer can fly, and depending on who is in it, it's abilities can and have changed. I thought i went over this with you. Are you not reading what I wrote? At this point, I wouldn't doubt it.

You said that you were using a high end Superman. So which is it? if you use a high end Superman, why not use a high end Destroyer, and not the one being jobbed by writers that ignore it taking more punishment than it has a couple of times? Should we use some of Superman's less than stellar showings to prove a point?

Let's not assume that the Destroyer is more durable than adamantium, and Mjolnir, when it is more durable than they are. The Destroyer is not a him, it is an it, as in a construct that was enchanted to be stronger than Mjolnir. However if Odin were to amp himself high enough while holding Mjolnir he could damage the construct. Similar to what Thor with the Odin force did when he damaged it. or when he warped America's shield.

If you want proof google it, go to the respect forum, but don't attempt to place the burden of proof on me when you have yet to prove that Superman possesses 50 Earth weights worth of strength.

I'm not going to get into semantics with you, because technically a physical hit is kinetic energy. They both have an impact on whatever surface is touched by them.

The Destroyer would touch Superman. This isn't CIS off Superman where we can pretend that we are Superman, and change the way that he fights. He would be hit, and he would get into trouble, and be KO'd or killed.

((oh and btw, just pointing out, king thor killed captain america on accident instantly regretting it, as he tried to hold back yet still ended him with obviously holding back tons)

Originally posted by Cinder
Well, I beleive superman MIGHT be able to damage it, if he tries hard at high end.

However he won't be able to defend as well as the destroyer will, which would result in a loss for supes.

(edit, some evidence I was a bit wrong. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/134088/3703132-4338920854-Thorv.jpg

destroyer manages to slice mjolnir

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11/117566/2558098-mjolnir_is_broken.jpg

couldn't find any throws)

Nope those scans won't be enough, because H1 will just ignore them.

Originally posted by Stoic
Nope those scans won't be enough, because H1 will just ignore them.

Still, that blast breaking mjolnir is obviously far more powerful then supermans greatest power, his eye beams. Which, supermen (various) have used to scar themselves the S into their chest through a mirror (likely on low heat)

Thus, destroyer could proly distengrate supes xD

This is stupid. The Destroyer wins obviously.

Just your average human or any being with no experience with the armor will trash Superman period. People like H1a8 are trolls period, AD was created by Odin and powered by his fellow skyfathers with his enchantments, that's why were there is more than one soul occupying the armor it becomes bigger and more powerful; AD operates depending on the writer from mid trans to sky father level and beyond; Superman can cut lose all he wants he wont even tickle the armor. Plus the armor is a walking magical object with powers that can kill Gods, unless Superman develops Odin like abilities he's phucked.

Originally posted by Stoic
Superman was slapped into the Moon, and passed out. if that was the force of 50 Earth weights, the Moon would have been demolished. Old King Thor, was just hit so hard by Galactus, that the Moon was broken into several pieces. He shrugged it off, as if it didn't happen, and was right back in Galactus' face. Again Superman was blacking out from being smacked onto the surface of the Moon, that only made a small crater. logic 101, which you seem to be missing here.

I'm refering to a high end Superman and not a low end one as you are mentioning.

Mjolnir reacts favorably to the Odin force which Thor had when he did those feats. The Destroyer can fly, and depending on who is in it, it's abilities can and have changed. I thought i went over this with you. Are you not reading what I wrote? At this point, I wouldn't doubt it.

You said that you were using a high end Superman. So which is it? if you use a high end Superman, why not use a high end Destroyer, and not the one being jobbed by writers that ignore it taking more punishment than it has a couple of times? Should we use some of Superman's less than stellar showings to prove a point?

Let's not assume that the Destroyer is more durable than adamantium, and Mjolnir, when it is more durable than they are. The Destroyer is not a him, it is an it, as in a construct that was enchanted to be stronger than Mjolnir. However if Odin were to amp himself high enough while holding Mjolnir he could damage the construct. Similar to what Thor with the Odin force did when he damaged it. or when he warped America's shield.

Mjolnir was shown more durable against AD in the King Thor arc. Strength depends on enchantment. Where are you getting it was enchanted to be more durable than Mjolnir? Uru yes, but Mjolnir? Uru's durability depends on the enchantment powering it.

If you want proof google it, go to the respect forum, but don't attempt to place the burden of proof on me when you have yet to prove that Superman possesses 50 Earth weights worth of strength.

I'm not going to get into semantics with you, because technically a physical hit is kinetic energy. They both have an impact on whatever surface is touched by them.

The Destroyer would touch Superman. This isn't CIS off Superman where we can pretend that we are Superman, and change the way that he fights. He would be hit, and he would get into trouble, and be KO'd or killed.

Originally posted by Cinder
Well, I beleive superman MIGHT be able to damage it, if he tries hard at high end.

However he won't be able to defend as well as the destroyer will, which would result in a loss for supes.

(edit, some evidence I was a bit wrong. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/134088/3703132-4338920854-Thorv.jpg

destroyer manages to slice mjolnir

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11/117566/2558098-mjolnir_is_broken.jpg

couldn't find any throws)

Well we go by feats to form a basis for characters from different companies.
If a character's power output feats are beyond another character's durability feats then we have no good reason to assume that the attacking character can't damage the other.

Yes, a high end AD will seriously hurt Superman if he lands an attack. But Superman has speed, mobility, reflexes, and intangibility. A high end Superman could use those to avoid being hit and damage the AD.

If a werewolf defeated superman,and batman saved him. Destroyer armor will squash him.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm refering to a high end Superman and not a low end one as you are mentioning. I read everything you said. I'll repeat. Post proof. Stating things isn't proof. I want to see it for myself. Or at least give me the issue numbers. I want to see Destroyer fly or teleport. Either is fine with me.

I'm not using a high end Superman here. I'm not even saying Superman wins this fight (if we are using average Superman). I'm saying that the only Superman that will win is a high end one. That's all I'm saying. Now can a high end Superman beat a high end AD? Of course. His power output feats are beyond AD durability feats. You can name the best feats of durability by AD and I will give you a power output feat by Superman that is beyond that.
Also, you are forgetting that a high end Superman is very fast, with insane reflexes, extremely intelligent, can go intangible, etc. It would be nigh impossible for AD to hit high end Superman.

Mjolnir was shown more durable against AD in the King Thor arc. Strength depends on enchantment. Where are you getting it was enchanted to be more durable than Mjolnir? Uru yes, but Mjolnir? Uru's durability depends on the enchantment powering it.

I went to the respect thread. I googled it. I can't find where AD can fly or teleport or is stated to be more durable than Mjolnir (in a comic).

Well we go by feats to form a basis for characters from different companies.
If a character's power output feats are beyond another character's durability feats then we have no good reason to assume that the attacking character can't damage the other.

Yes, a high end AD will seriously hurt Superman if he lands an attack. But Superman has speed, mobility, reflexes, and intangibility. A high end Superman could use those to avoid being hit and damage the AD.

h1 why is it you always state things without any proof at all, yet demand everyone else prove everything, and if they do so, ignore the proof anyway?

Destroyer wins.

Originally posted by Cinder
h1 why is it you always state things without any proof at all, yet demand everyone else prove everything, and if they do so, ignore the proof anyway?

Originally posted by h1a8
I'll prove anything you want. Just simply ask.

Despite h1'a rather long winded trolling attempts, Destroyer wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Despite h1'a rather long winded trolling attempts, Destroyer wins.

Originally posted by h1a8
against an average Superman, but not against a high end Superman.

Originally posted by h1a8
against an average Superman, but not against a high end Superman.

Can you prove two things.

Supermans most powerful attack on record (high end ofc)

And someone else prove the most destroyer has dished out/tanked.

Destroyer was taking multiple Celestial blasts for awhile. Didn't turn out well in the end, but you get the picture. That's more then Superman could ever hope to duplicate.