DC and Marvel crossover into Starwars

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
For the record Power, was reading Excalibur v3 #10, and Magneto's force field actually prevents someone from teleporting inside it. That sufficient evidence for you? I don't have the time to search for scans for it defending against internal TK specifically, this is something I only randomly stumbled onto, but it should at the very least establish that his force field operates not just as a simple barrier.

Starwars characters are deffinatly above the likes of captian America, spider man and all those in there tier. Starwars characters are too fast for most of them, many being able to pull off several strikes per second and even those like Bane and Leneer who can move so fast that time seems to slow down to a crawl for them.
Then there are characters who can generate lightning strong enough to kill insantly, and even stronger lightning that can reduce targets to charred husks.
And there are characters that absorb massive amounts of energy via tutaminus, some even being able to catch lightsabers, blades made of pure energy with there bare hands.
Then there are the deadlier powers like force drain and death fields, litteraly absorbing the other persons life force or creating a bubble of dark energy that if touched turns living things into lifeless husks.

I think the SW universe to often gets lowballed by the other universes

Star Wars has a chance to win this. First of all, their superpowers are not mutation or genetic. They gain access to an infinite energy that contains unlimited knowledge. They gain wisdom and clarity through it. They are very smart and can see the future. They can outsmart most of their non-force user enemies through the force and they probably experience time and space in a different way even. At least the super strong ones do. These features make up for their lack of physical raw power.

The top sith lords can manipulate them or crush their minds. Vitiate is known to be the master of it. How can they have a defense for that? He is doing it through the force which the superheroes have no knowledge of. Darth Jadus physically wounds people near him. He should be effective too. Also if Nihilus' drain applies here, he would be a big trouble. Palpatine, Yoda and Luke would own many superheroes too.

If we don't count the semi-omnipotent characters from DC/Marvel, the Ones would be a huge challenge for most of them for sure.

Originally posted by Sinious
Star Wars has a chance to win this. First of all, their superpowers are not mutation or genetic. They gain access to an infinite energy that contains unlimited knowledge. They gain wisdom and clarity through it. They are very smart and can see the future. They can outsmart most of their non-force user enemies through the force and they probably experience time and space in a different way even. At least the super strong ones do. These features make up for their lack of physical raw power.

The top sith lords can manipulate them or crush their minds. Vitiate is known to be the master of it. How can they have a defense for that? He is doing it through the force which the superheroes have no knowledge of. Darth Jadus physically wounds people near him. He should be effective too. Also if Nihilus' drain applies here, he would be a big trouble. Palpatine, Yoda and Luke would own many superheroes too.

If we don't count the semi-omnipotent characters from DC/Marvel, the Ones would be a huge challenge for most of them for sure.

Lord Kaan subtly controlling minds of entire armies. And I think Zannahs mental assault on Supes would be super effective, since he is weak to magic it should work. Kuns gauntlets blasts can pack some serious heat for some of the tougher characters. And yea the Ones could pose a problem for a lot of high tier characters

Exactly. Also some of them don't have to be near their opponents to kill them so how can they fight someone who feels their presence from another planet.

By the way, do the superheroes have access to SW technology? If not it'll be hard to travel for most of them.

I dunno, if they are in the SW universe for along enough time they would probably figure out how to use the tec

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Starwars characters are deffinatly above the likes of captian America, spider man and all those in there tier. Starwars characters are too fast for most of them, many being able to pull off several strikes per second and even those like Bane and Leneer who can move so fast that time seems to slow down to a crawl for them.
Then there are characters who can generate lightning strong enough to kill insantly, and even stronger lightning that can reduce targets to charred husks.
And there are characters that absorb massive amounts of energy via tutaminus, some even being able to catch lightsabers, blades made of pure energy with there bare hands.
Then there are the deadlier powers like force drain and death fields, litteraly absorbing the other persons life force or creating a bubble of dark energy that if touched turns living things into lifeless husks.

I think the SW universe to often gets lowballed by the other universes

Originally posted by Sinious
Star Wars has a chance to win this. First of all, their superpowers are not mutation or genetic. They gain access to an infinite energy that contains unlimited knowledge. They gain wisdom and clarity through it. They are very smart and can see the future. They can outsmart most of their non-force user enemies through the force and they probably experience time and space in a different way even. At least the super strong ones do. These features make up for their lack of physical raw power.

The top sith lords can manipulate them or crush their minds. Vitiate is known to be the master of it. How can they have a defense for that? He is doing it through the force which the superheroes have no knowledge of. Darth Jadus physically wounds people near him. He should be effective too. Also if Nihilus' drain applies here, he would be a big trouble. Palpatine, Yoda and Luke would own many superheroes too.

If we don't count the semi-omnipotent characters from DC/Marvel, the Ones would be a huge challenge for most of them for sure.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Lord Kaan subtly controlling minds of entire armies. And I think Zannahs mental assault on Supes would be super effective, since he is weak to magic it should work. Kuns gauntlets blasts can pack some serious heat for some of the tougher characters. And yea the Ones could pose a problem for a lot of high tier characters

2.Almost none of the stuff that you guys just said matters when there are characters that are still hundreds of times faster than them (the Flash family, Superman family, Daxamites, Zoom, Quicksilver, Speed Demon, the Wizzer, etc.), characters that are much smarter than them (Doom, Reed Richards, Kang, Thanos, Darkseid, etc.), characters that are both immune to being mindcontrolled and can control minds on a much larger scale than the Star Wars characters (Darkseid, Thanos, Martian Manhunter, Professor X, etc.), characters that have access to much higher levels of magic than them (Loki, Thanos, Constantine, Doom, Dr. Strange, etc.) and when there are characters that can literally solo the entire Star Wars universe (Franklin Richards, the Anti-Monitor, the Spectre, the Living tribunal, etc.).

With that said, I think it would be very interesting to see all three companies cross over.

Give Disney a few more years.

Originally posted by deathslash
You guys do realize that this isn't a fight right? The thread starter was just asking what you guys think would happen if Marvel and DC crossed over. Meanwhile, you guys are both talking like this is a battle between DC and Marvel and Star Wars.

Well assuming there would be a war, I think that SW has a chance to win this but only if the Marvel or DC guys come to SW galaxy as an invading force which is advantageous for SW.

If they just show up neutrally, I think the heroes would join the jedi and the villains would fight the sith to overthrow them which would lead to the good guys kicking their asses after. It would work out well for the light side.

Originally posted by deathslash
there are characters that can literally solo the entire Star Wars universe (Franklin Richards, the Anti-Monitor, the Spectre, the Living tribunal, etc.).

I said without involving the semi-omnipotent ones but if this is challenging the entire galactic history and if they can all exist at the same time and unite against the common foe, SW can still defeat them. Here is a crazy scenario:

Anakin is just born and all the top Sith and Jedi that ever existed take him at the very young age to train him. Yoda and Sidious train him personally and help him master both sides of the force. Then he travels to Mortis and studies the force even further with the Ones. After, he learns the galaxy consuming ritual of Vitiate and all the jedi and sith help him to successfully perform it. When he is done, he becomes the omnipotent force of Star Wars universe and destroys everything that enters his galaxy. Game over 🤣

Originally posted by Sinious
Well assuming there would be a war, I think that SW has a chance to win this but only if the Marvel or DC guys come to SW galaxy as an invading force which is advantageous for SW.

If they just show up neutrally, I think the heroes would join the jedi and the villains would fight the sith to overthrow them which would lead to the good guys kicking their asses after. It would work out well for the light side.

Originally posted by Sinious

I said without involving the semi-omnipotent ones but if this is challenging the entire galactic history and if they can all exist at the same time and unite against the common foe, SW can still defeat them. Here is a crazy scenario:

Anakin is just born and all the top Sith and Jedi that ever existed take him at the very young age to train him. Yoda and Sidious train him personally and help him master both sides of the force. Then he travels to Mortis and studies the force even further with the Ones. After, he learns the galaxy consuming ritual of Vitiate and all the jedi and sith help him to successfully perform it. When he is done, he becomes the omnipotent force of Star Wars universe and destroys everything that enters his galaxy. Game over 🤣

Originally posted by deathslash
Okay, I just wanted to make sure you didn't think that this was a fight.

hysterical You do know that it would take Anakin decades to learn all of that right? Meanwhile, most of the people that I mentioned can eat/ destroy entire realities in a matter of minutes. Hell, the Flash family can just travel backwards in time and kill all of those characters while they are still children.

I know. just trying to defend the pride of SW universe. 🙂

Originally posted by Sinious
I know. just trying to defend the pride of SW universe. 🙂

Originally posted by Sinious
I know. just trying to defend the pride of SW universe. 🙂

Originally posted by deathslash
good, I just wanted to make sure we're on the same page. The only way for SW to win in a fight against either DC or Marvel if for them to use a very big amount of prep time and even the it's not even close to an assured victory. The Star Wars universe in general is just less powerful than both DC and Marvel. However, that's a good thing and it truly does help seperate SW from the other comic companies.

DC/Marvel characters get their powers very easily. They are either born that way or experience some sort of mutation that turns them instantly to very powerful beings. They don't need much training. Also their powers are very physical and direct.

SW force users have to be born with power and then they need proper training to learn how to use that power for years. They are not genetically superior to a regular person. They have to focus and use the force to obtain superpowers. This is why DC and Marvel have the upper hand here.

However, while DC/Marvel heroes and villains' powers are based on physical rules, SW jedi/sith base their powers on freeing them selves from all the limiting rules of the universe. The force is infinite knowledge and power and it is inside every living person in SW universe. Their own perceptions limit their powers. This may be disadvantageous for them in combat, but it makes them more sophisticated and wiser characters.

If DC/Marvel people show up neutrally, force users could manipulate them to do their own bidding. Especially the sith. I mean how hard could it be for Palpatine to manipulate self-righteous superheroes like Superman?

It would be a really interesting but weird scenario.

Except that Telepathy/mind control is a somewhat common power so they know all about people messing with minds and have ways around it and characters that are resistant/immune.

Originally posted by Sinious

However, while DC/Marvel heroes and villains' powers are based on physical rules, SW jedi/sith base their powers on freeing them selves from all the limiting rules of the universe. The force is infinite knowledge and power and it is inside every living person in SW universe. Their own perceptions limit their powers. This may be disadvantageous for them in combat, but it makes them more sophisticated and wiser characters.

Mind you, I don't think there's a single Jedi I'd trust to be as wise as Wonder Woman ^^

A lot of the big heroes in DC are serious veterans who've devoted great amount of time to training and understanding, and faced a wide variety of situations to expand their horizons.

If DC/Marvel people show up neutrally, force users could manipulate them to do their own bidding. Especially the sith. I mean how hard could it be for Palpatine to manipulate self-righteous superheroes like Superman?

Pretty darn hard, at least in terms of getting him to do stuff he doesn't like. Remember, his villains include Lex Luthor and he's an investigative journalist by trade, and he hangs out with Batman.

Also, Supes really isn't too self-righteous. Most of the time he's fairly humble. Self-righteousness is, in his good versions, something he tries to avoid.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Except that Telepathy/mind control is a somewhat common power so they know all about people messing with minds and have ways around it and characters that are resistant/immune.

I meant manipulate by normal deception not force powers. Like as a politician who wants the best for the galaxy.

Originally posted by Q99
Mind you, I don't think there's a single Jedi I'd trust to be as wise as Wonder Woman ^^

You must be joking.

Originally posted by Q99

A lot of the big heroes in DC are serious veterans who've devoted great amount of time to training and understanding, and faced a wide variety of situations to expand their horizons.

Pretty darn hard, at least in terms of getting him to do stuff he doesn't like. Remember, his villains include Lex Luthor and he's an investigative journalist by trade, and he hangs out with Batman.

Also, Supes really isn't too self-righteous. Most of the time he's fairly humble. Self-righteousness is, in his good versions, something he tries to avoid.

His name is Superman. He wears a spandex costume and flies around the world to make it a better place. He is a douche in a way.

Think about it, almost every superhero from DC/ Marvel have ego problems. They may not be arrogant but they sure aren't as wise and selfless as the likes of Yoda who has been tricked by Palpatine for years. At least I would say its not impossible.

Originally posted by Sinious
His name is Superman. He wears a spandex costume and flies around the world to make it a better place. He is a douche in a way.

Think about it, almost every superhero from DC/ Marvel have ego problems. They may not be arrogant but they sure aren't as wise and selfless as the likes of Yoda who has been tricked by Palpatine for years. At least I would say its not impossible.

There really aren't that many superheroes that have ego problems and almost every single superhero has experience with being manipulated and/ or mindcontrolled. Yoda told Kenobi not to tell Luke that Vader was his own father, as soon as the Empire rose he went into hiding (sort of like a coward), and even with the evidence piling up that the clone army was manufactured by the enemy, he still didn't warn his fellow Jedi to watch their backs. I don't really think those are the signs of someone who is really wise and/ or cares that much.

I agree with Power to an extent. There are a lot of cb superheroes, regardless of their power level, who only have one or two abilities, and can't defend against the full range of the many abilities Jedi/Sith possess. Cyclops for example potentially has godly power and could split the planet in two, but would be vulnerable to something like a Force Choke.

However, it is simply the case that power levels in DC and Marvel >>>>>>>> Star Wars. You basically need the equivalent of a God in Star Wars to be able to compete with the high level heroes/villains in DC/Marvel (Aquaman for example would probably give the Father an absolute spanking). The God tier characters in DC/Marvel by comparison, could basically solo the SWG by blinking (such as a fully powered Jean Grey).

Originally posted by deathslash

There really aren't that many superheroes that have ego problems and almost every single superhero has experience with being manipulated and/ or mindcontrolled. Yoda told Kenobi not to tell Luke that Vader was his own father, as soon as the Empire rose he went into hiding (sort of like a coward), and even with the evidence piling up that the clone army was manufactured by the enemy, he still didn't warn his fellow Jedi to watch their backs. I don't really think those are the signs of someone who is really wise and/ or cares that much.

He didn't tell his fellow jedi because by transcending death, the jedi had already won the greater victory. Yes the modern jedi might get whipped out, but the jedi would always be. Also why would he tell Luke that? "Hey we want you to fight your own father, the most evil being the galaxy who has committed mass murder on multiple occasions, all while resisting the dark side so you don't become exactly like him." that wouldn't have gone over very well.