Originally posted by Galan007
The reason a consensus will never be reached is because Surfer has existed as a character for several decadeS, but has only unleashed black hole energies against an opponent once in that time. Thus, it is simply not an in-character tactic for him by any stretch of the imagination.We use averages here, not cherry-picked/one-time scenes.
Surfer has created black holes more than once. And has also mentioned that he can do so to his enemy at any time. I don't see Surfer doing the tactic right off the bat, but he will eventually do it if he sees there is no other way. It might take 30 min in the fight for all we know for Surfer to realize he can do this. Also, forum fights are based off logic (not plot).
Originally posted by Stoic
So let me get this straight. Norrin (the silver fish) is going to launch an event horizon right there next to his team mates (my God my ribs are hurting from laughter), and have them all pulled into it, while Thanos teleports out of there, only to appear later to break his ass once again? Why are people bringing up the ridiculous? Or maybe Thor will use his God blast while his team are all in the way? Yes they can do these moves, but the question is... Would they? LOL can you see me laughing over here? huh can you? Who brought up this black hole thing anyways? Let's give them a round of applause.
No, Thanos is going to be subject to the singularity, not the event horizon. He will be destroyed instantly. Surfer has survived inside the event horizon before. Thor can simply fly out or teleport.
Originally posted by EpicurusSurfer has created black holes on more than 1 occassion. He even states that he can (proving that's how he thinks).
He's confusing combat showings with space cheese. Surfer has a single feat where his energy discharge created a miniature black hole or something. h1 interprets that as meaning that an in-character Surfer goes about randomly discharging black holes against opponents in forum fights.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Cite the scans which state that.
Fallacy. It doesn't have to be stated in order to be true. It was shown. Parts of the ship survived although it tried to escape.
Originally posted by carver9
Wouldn't Thanos mind attacking during mid battle fall in the same category?
Stop being a clownshoes... He has NUMEROUS TP feats is the thing.. not just one... NUMEROUS times he's TP'd someone... He's done so to The Maker... Fallen One... Fought off Moondragon numerous times.. sometimes mind battle... The Hulk situation... Galactus... He has a decorated history of TPing people or resisting TP mind battle or not battling. Surfer on the other hand... only done that feat one time. Huge Difference.
Also this wasn't a clam hulk POST THE SCANS saying he was calm. Where was this stated. He was said to actually be angry... So thanos TP'd an angry hulk with EASE
Originally posted by carver9
That was against a calm Hulk and this happened in the same comic Thanos got arrows put through him. Where Thanos got one of his teeth punched out by Vision. If this is current Hulk who tends to be in a rage 90% of the time...TP isn't working.
None of this is true.
Hulk stated he was angry before being mind controlled.
Arrows were to his gold shoulder Armour and no blood was shown.
Vision never punched out his teeth. It was from a combined assault from Avengers, GOTG, and FF4. This is after being weakened by the fake cube.
Current Hulk got mind raped by Abyss too.
Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer has created black holes more than once. And has also mentioned that he can do so to his enemy at any time. I don't see Surfer doing the tactic right off the bat, but he will eventually do it if he sees there is no other way. It might take 30 min in the fight for all we know for Surfer to realize he can do this. Also, forum fights are based off logic (not plot).No, Thanos is going to be subject to the singularity, not the event horizon. He will be destroyed instantly. Surfer has survived inside the event horizon before. Thor can simply fly out or teleport.
Surfer has created black holes on more than 1 occassion. He even states that he can (proving that's how he thinks).
Fallacy. It doesn't have to be stated in order to be true. It was shown. Parts of the ship survived although it tried to escape.
Simpleton... Thanos can Teleport 2.. Why on earth do you not understand this.. he can EASILY teleport out of it. he's even done so before. This tactic won't work and also.. HOW is surfer going to last 30 minutes as you claim before he tries a tactic that won't even work anyways? He's been nearly killed in a matter of minutes... How the F is going to last awhile with Thanos when he can be put down with utter ease in minutes?
Originally posted by h1a8Lol, 30 minutes? Thanos has been shown capable of utterly thrashing Surfer in the space of a few seconds:
Surfer has created black holes more than once. And has also mentioned that he can do so to his enemy at any time. I don't see Surfer doing the tactic right off the bat, but he will eventually do it if he sees there is no other way. It might take 30 min in the fight for all we know for Surfer to realize he can do this.
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Originally posted by h1a8No, forum battles are decided by average in-character performances--not your personal opinion of how a character should be able to fight based off a few cherry-picked feats. 👆
Also, forum fights are based off logic (not plot).
Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, 30 minutes? Thanos has been shown capable of utterly thrashing Surfer in the space of a few seconds:
http://imgur.com/oLGEE2g
http://imgur.com/SYwBo7t
http://imgur.com/j8kFbfs👆
No, forum battles are decided by average in-character performances--not your personal opinion of how a character should be able to fight based off a few cherry-picked feats. 👆
It's like clapping with one hand Galan, he makes up tales that go beyond what the character does while in character, aside from the fact that he didn't give Thanos the slightest doubt that he could survive such a tactic if it were to be used. Or if the Surfer ever got the chance to use it.
Also how does it make sense that the Hulk is super pissed the moment he becomes the Hulk? If this were the case no one would ever be able to reason with him, he would essentially be just like Doomsday. Thanos could take control of the Hulk the moment his sees him on the battlefield while no one has any clue as to what happened. Then when they begin the Hulk switches sides, and bum rushes half of the team. A surprise attack from him was shown to severely hurt even Thor.
Originally posted by One-Punch
None of this is true.Hulk stated he was angry before being mind controlled.
Arrows were to his gold shoulder Armour and no blood was shown.
Vision never punched out his teeth. It was from a combined assault from Avengers, GOTG, and FF4. This is after being weakened by the fake cube.
Current Hulk got mind raped by Abyss too.
When was if stated that Hulk was angry during the Thanos showing?
That must be some thick armor because those arrows were pretty deep in him.
You could be correct about the Vision things. Can't remember off hand.
Post the abyss scan.
Originally posted by carver9
When was if stated that Hulk was angry during the Thanos showing?That must be some thick armor because those arrows were pretty deep in him.
You could be correct about the Vision things. Can't remember off hand.
Post the abyss scan.
He beats up Leo and then fights the other Zodiac, and then that's when Thanos appears and mind-controls him.
We get a view of Thanos' back after the arrows fell off. There wasn't a single drop of blood or even any visible signs of punctures. The arrows were so "deep" they did no visible damage, at all.
Yeah I'm correct. There were three super teams attacking Thanos... How do you miss that?
How can you forget when Abyss (very easily) mind controlled Hulk like a puppet? It happened in the very first Avengers NOW comic by Hickman. Abyss used Hulk to sneak attack Thor.
You're also wrong when you stated Thor was holding his own against Thanos. Unless "holding his own" means getting your attacks no-sold and mocked, having your head almost knocked off your shoulders, and then helplessly being blown away while your enemy powers up.
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On a separate note, no one listen to h1.
I'm a real Surfer fan. Surfer doesn't stand a chance against Thanos, and he'd get steam rolled just like in the past. Even if Surfer started busting out planet wrecking attacks or even a singularity Thanos would tank it with a grin and still stomp him.
Thanos treats heralds like Surfer, Thor, and Hulk like 5 year olds. It's obvious for anyone who's actually read his appearances. Sometimes Thanos even treats low-trans level characters like Lord Mar-Vell like fodder too.
Originally posted by Galan007Everyone knows that feat. And seen it a billion times. That's PIS and also a low showing for Surfer.
Lol, 30 minutes? Thanos has been shown capable of utterly thrashing Surfer in the space of a few seconds:
http://imgur.com/oLGEE2g
http://imgur.com/SYwBo7t
http://imgur.com/j8kFbfs👆
No, forum battles are decided by average in-character performances--not your personal opinion of how a character should be able to fight based off a few cherry-picked feats. 👆
Surfer has ftl speed and reflexes. He's not going to allow Thanos just to walk to him and hit him in a forum fight.
NO! PIS doesn't count. A character who performs stupidly for the sake of the plot has NOTHING to do with their character. If they perform stupidly because they are naturally that stupid then yes. Surfer is smart enough to create black holes IF he decides that is the only way to win. Surfer has a long history of figuring out the weakness of characters or determining a way to beat someone.
In the fight if Surfer doesn't see anyway of beating Thanos then he will eventually think of a black hole blast. So I'm not suggesting he will automatically just use a black hole blast from the very beginning. But he will eventually use it if needed later on.
Also you are forgetting the Full Capacity Rule. Full Capacity implies intelligence as well as power levels. We average what they would do under FULL CAPACITY and not what they do in general (including PIS showings). Otherwise, what will be the use for FULL CAPACITY?
Plus Surfer has fought Thanos several times to know that blasts won't work on him (unless he has his planet destroying blasts). Thus planning before the bell is allowed, and Surfer knows Thanos can tank his blasts. What do you think that means?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiTeleport out of an event horizon yes. But he won't be in the event horizon. The singularity will be on him. The moment the singularity touches him then he's destroyed instantly.
Simpleton... Thanos can Teleport 2.. Why on earth do you not understand this.. he can EASILY teleport out of it. he's even done so before. This tactic won't work and also.. HOW is surfer going to last 30 minutes as you claim before he tries a tactic that won't even work anyways? He's been nearly killed in a matter of minutes... How the F is going to last awhile with Thanos when he can be put down with utter ease in minutes?
Surfer has ftl speed and reflexes. It would be nearly impossible for Thanos to hit him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What if Thanos has fast reactions as well?
Cap and Batman have fast reactions as well. But no where near Superman level.
In other words, just having fast reactions is not enough.
Also, having reactions isn't good enough. You must have the speed to go along with it. If an object is traveling towards you at ftl speeds and you see it in slow motion (reactions) but can't move no where near it's speed then you will simply get hit as you would be frozen and can't move.
If you could move then you can move almost as fast as the object itself.
Originally posted by h1a8
Cap and Batman have fast reactions as well. But no where near Superman level.
In other words, just having fast reactions is not enough.Also, having reactions isn't good enough. You must have the speed to go along with it. If an object is traveling towards you at ftl speeds and you see it in slow motion (reactions) but can't move no where near it's speed then you will simply get hit as you would be frozen and can't move.
If you could move then you can move almost as fast as the object itself.
How fast would you say Thanos was? And how would you judge his speed?