Per OP SIA isn't making this easy. For one, some of the Villains out there would likely change sides due to Kal's death. I wouldn't count on Ultraman to fill his shoes, because he often reminds me of the Wrecker in terms of intellect mixed with his asinine disposition. Majestic is way too blood thirsty, but I could see Zod take up the mantle of Earth's finest champion. Mon El, or Valor have simply never had the mind set to rise to the occasion thus being far below the bar in terms of charisma. In a comic, I could see Zod replace Superman in time. Also I think that Super girl could do it if she were to mature like I said before. Superman's death could probably do that to her, but it would depend on what was powerful enough to actually kill Superman. I would think anything capable of doing so would have some kind of negative effect on life on the planet.
Originally posted by meep-meep
No one. Lots of characters could replicate things he's done feat wise. But I doubt any of them would do what he's done for humanity. Batman has a similar mentality though.
Made humanity so dependent that they can't fend for themselves? Became such an integral part of their existence that they can't function properly without him? I agree, no other hero would do that to this extent. They'd be better off without him anyway. His presence on Earth causes more problems than not. Without him Earth would still be the backwater planet it's meant to be; invisible to most outside influences.
I'm sure my disdain for how the character is treated is quite evident. Then again, this is just the lowly opinion of someone who refutes the 'great' House of El.
As for others, there are plenty who could step up to the task. Many effectively. Superman's absence would allow other characters to grow into their potential and deserved places. I can only imagine the joy many creative teams would feel knowing they had the room to explore their characters without the need to conform to decades of established, unwavering hierarchy.
Originally posted by Orrsome28
Made humanity so dependent that they can't fend for themselves? Became such an integral part of their existence that they can't function properly without him? I agree, no other hero would do that to this extent. They'd be better off without him anyway. His presence on Earth causes more problems than not. Without him Earth would still be the backwater planet it's meant to be; invisible to most outside influences.I'm sure my disdain for how the character is treated is quite evident. Then again, this is just the lowly opinion of someone who refutes the 'great' House of El.
As for others, there are plenty who could step up to the task. Many effectively. Superman's absence would allow other characters to grow into their potential and deserved places. I can only imagine the joy many creative teams would feel knowing they had the room to explore their characters without the need to conform to decades of established, unwavering hierarchy.
Re: Superman Is Dead......
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ok Clark is dead. No resurrection no retcon. Dead and never coming back. And that goes for his future selves, alternate universe selves. Who will replace him without skipping a beat and without changing their character to do so. And this means who can also replicate his feats and lead as he does.
Abhi.
Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm
I take that to mean at no point can you understand my reasoning. I suppose it's to be expected. I imagine you physically having this response anytime an opinion that isn't pro-Superman is put forth. It's likely an involuntary knee-jerk reaction developed after years of tenuous arguments falling on deaf ears.
I do believe I've unwittingly employed Ahbi bait. Seems to work every time. Hook, line and sinker. With that said, it's unfortunate that you fall short of game regulations and I have to set you free. It's probably for the best. Now you can swim upstream and spawn more of your Superman agenda. It's safe to say however, this isn't likely to be my last fishing expedition. I'll simply have to choose more wisely next time. Don't worry though, I'll continue to voice my opinions and, rest assured, you'll be here to oppose them. This seems to be the reality I've slipped into.
It's all okay though, Abhi. You certainly make these boards entertaining, something I'm most thankful for. 👆
Back on point, I do wonder how many exactly of Superman's foes would be at all bothered with the Earth and it's people if he wasn't present. Obviously there are always exceptions, mostly in the form of extraterrestrial threats, especially with the long standing trend in fiction that the Earth is the crux of everything. Even in imaginary worlds we can't help but be self-involved. I also don't see too many of his domestic villains being more than the sum total of the JL.
Originally posted by Orrsome28
I take that to mean at no point can you understand my reasoning. I suppose it's to be expected. I imagine you physically having this response anytime an opinion that isn't pro-Superman is put forth. It's likely an involuntary knee-jerk reaction developed after years of tenuous arguments falling on deaf ears.I do believe I've unwittingly employed Ahbi bait. Seems to work every time. Hook, line and sinker. With that said, it's unfortunate that you fall short of game regulations and I have to set you free. It's probably for the best. Now you can swim upstream and spawn more of your Superman agenda. It's safe to say however, this isn't likely to be my last fishing expedition. I'll simply have to choose more wisely next time. Don't worry though, I'll continue to voice my opinions and, rest assured, you'll be here to oppose them. This seems to be the reality I've slipped into.
It's all okay though, Abhi. You certainly make these boards entertaining, something I'm most thankful for. 👆
Back on point, I do wonder how many exactly of Superman's foes would be at all bothered with the Earth and it's people if he wasn't present. Obviously there are always exceptions, mostly in the form of extraterrestrial threats, especially with the long standing trend in fiction that the Earth is the crux of everything. Even in imaginary worlds we can't help but be self-involved. I also don't see too many of his domestic villains being more than the sum total of the JL.
Doesn't means its not stupid.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
I just facepalmed at how stupid the whole line of reasoning is. You're entitled to your opinion though. I won't try to persuade out of it because you actually believe whatever you're saying.Doesn't means its not stupid.
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Which part exactly? The part where I basically said Earth would be screwed without him because they are so reliant? That seems fair, considering the amount of people who believe his shoes can't be filled. At least effectively. I'd count you among them if your productive contribution of Krypto was anything to go by. Superman's Earthly foes are nothing to wet your pants over. Hell, some of them would simply be non factors. Superman is a beacon for all sorts, good and bad. It's his very essence to attract attention. Or was it that I believe others could and would fill the void?
But no, you're probably right as usual. It's not out of the question that I may indeed be stupid. 👆
Originally posted by Orrsome28
Which part exactly? The part where I basically said Earth would be screwed without him because they are so reliant? That seems fair, considering the amount of people who believe his shoes can't be filled. At least effectively. I'd count you among them if your productive contribution of Krypto was anything to go by. Superman's Earthly foes are nothing to wet your pants over. Hell, some of them would simply be non factors. Superman is a beacon for all sorts, good and bad. It's his very essence to attract attention. Or was it that I believe others could and would fill the void?But no, you're probably right as usual. It's not out of the question that I may indeed be stupid. 👆
So yeah, blaming him for the actions of supervillains because he chose to do the right thing is idiocy. And Earth did fine when he left earth for centuries in DC one million.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
It has been actually answered in many stories. What happens if Superman never existed etc. The end results aren't pretty for Earth. Like Superman once said to Lex "You would still be a monster if I never came to metropolis."So yeah, blaming him for the actions of supervillains because he chose to do the right thing is idiocy. And Earth did fine when he left earth for centuries in DC one million.
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Wait....so in the alternate stories, if Supes didn't exist, the results aren't pretty for Earth...but at the same time, it does fine without him?
Originally posted by abhilegend
It has been actually answered in many stories. What happens if Superman never existed etc. The end results aren't pretty for Earth. Like Superman once said to Lex "You would still be a monster if I never came to metropolis."So yeah, blaming him for the actions of supervillains because he chose to do the right thing is idiocy. And Earth did fine when he left earth for centuries in DC one million.
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Mate, which is it? 'The end results aren't pretty for Earth' or 'Earth did fine when he left earth for centuries in DC one million'. I can't tell if you're making my point for me.
Lex isn't his only Earthly enemy. And be that as it may, Lex is fundamentally driven by his obsession. You can't tell me with a straight face that Lex would be the same threat he is now without Superman to feed that very obsession. He might be the same person at his core, but without Superman his special brand of crazy would present differently. It's akin to Joker and Batman. How would Joker spend his time if he didn't have Batman to antagonize to no end? He would not be the same character.
No, idiocy would be you thinking I blame him for the actions of others. I didn't say that nor was it even implied. I stated that a lot of Earth's threats stem from the fact that Superman is present. Consider just one example: imagine if we removed every Kryptonian based threat or event related to Earth. How better off would Earth be for it?
Anyway, I'm going to leave it here. The futility of responding to more than two of your posts is not lost on me. It verges on the very definition of insanity. 😆
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait....so in the alternate stories, if Supes didn't exist, the results aren't pretty for Earth...but at the same time, it does fine without him?
Originally posted by Orrsome28
Mate, which is it? 'The end results aren't pretty for Earth' or 'Earth did fine when he left earth for centuries in DC one million'. I can't tell if you're making my point for me.Lex isn't his only Earthly enemy. And be that as it may, Lex is fundamentally driven by his obsession. You can't tell me with a straight face that Lex would be the same threat he is now without Superman to feed that very obsession. He might be the same person at his core, but without Superman his special brand of crazy would present differently. It's akin to Joker and Batman. How would Joker spend his time if he didn't have Batman to antagonize to no end? He would not be the same character.
No, idiocy would be you thinking I blame him for the actions of others. I didn't say that nor was it even implied. I stated that a lot of Earth's threats stem from the fact that Superman is present. Consider just one example: imagine if we removed every Kryptonian based threat or event related to Earth. How better off would Earth be for it?
Anyway, I'm going to leave it here. The futility of responding to more than two of your posts is not lost on me. It verges on the very definition of insanity. 😆
What kryptonian enemies are on earth anyway? Most of them are in phantom zone. But you're telling me Darkseid or Mongul would stop attacking earth because Superman isn't on earth?
Superman's legacy is enough to inspire Earth, it isn't feasible if he doesn't exists. Remember JLA: The Nail?
Re: Superman Is Dead......
Originally posted by Sin I AMI was going to say a grown up Billy but then I read this
Ok Clark is dead. No resurrection no retcon. Dead and never coming back. And that goes for his future selves, alternate universe selves. Who will replace him without skipping a beat and without changing their character to do so. And this means who can also replicate his feats and lead as he does.
Originally posted by Sin I AMAnd ended up agreeing with
Who will replace him without skipping a beat and without changing their character to do so.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Nobody.