Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah I just can't take the Sentry fleeing from a 2nd rate torch seriously.....
Originally posted by zopzop
Not counting the Invaders/Avengers showing, his little tussle with Hercules. He had Venom and crew helping him and he was still tooled.
He was kneed in the balls, by a Class 100. Can you imagine getting lifted, by something capable of shattering a building? Shit most dudes only need to be flicked there, and they sing soprano. I think being chased off by the original Torch is most likely the worst showing he has ever had. It wasn't the Hellicarrier, because momentum was his enemy there, not the weight.
Originally posted by Stoic
He was kneed in the balls, by a Class 100. Can you imagine getting lifted, by something capable of shattering a building? Shit most dudes only need to be flicked there, and they sing soprano. I think being chased off by the original Torch is most likely the worst showing he has ever had. It wasn't the Hellicarrier, because momentum was his enemy there, not the weight.
The Hellicarrier was a "strength feat" humiliation. Momentum or not, any CL100 worth a damn would have held it.
Even thought I'm not Sentry's cheerleader this is a different version of Sentry. The only note-worthy low feat that DS Sentry is the wurm, but Sentry stated previously that he intended to betray the twins somehow, so it could be just a convenient set up after all (or Sentry is still instable and frustratingly so, it'd be in character).
This would still be meaningless against Surfer, unless Norrin could somehow exploit this mental weakness, which he might. In straight combat I wouldn't place my bets on Surfer as of now.
Originally posted by Stoic
He was kneed in the balls, by a Class 100. Can you imagine getting lifted, by something capable of shattering a building? Shit most dudes only need to be flicked there, and they sing soprano. I think being chased off by the original Torch is most likely the worst showing he has ever had. It wasn't the Hellicarrier, because momentum was his enemy there, not the weight.
Tony's tech also depowered him.
Power of a million suns, gone, just like that.
Originally posted by zopzop
The knee to the crotch wasn't the worst part. Hercules was toying with him despite the fact that he had Venom all up in his grill.The Hellicarrier was a "strength feat" humiliation. Momentum or not, any CL100 worth a damn would have held it.
You don't get it. The carrier was heavier than Bob. I know that I didn't have to tell you that in order for you to realize it, but I'm just pointing out that an object far heavier than Bob would be easily capable of pushing him back for a certain amount of meters until he was able to slow it down. He simply didn't have enough room to stop it before it would have hit the ground. Make no mistake though, he would have been able to lift it without a problem. Any Class 100 would have had the same troubles stopping it. Even Superman would have had a hard time stopping it with the amount of feet from the point of interception vs the amount of feet from the ground that he intercepted it at. This is something that you should probably think about. I'm also pretty sure you know this because it's been stated several times before this.
Superman was pushed back nearly a mile before he brought a space ship the size of a sedan to a full halt. You should really think on that before you make it seem like Bob was cast in a poor light. As well as the fact that if he pushed with more strength, he would have burst right through the outer hull, and defeated the purpose of trying to stop it in the first place.
Originally posted by Sundipped
So we have light years in a few minutes and many times the speed of light. Still no way to tell which one was faster but since DS Sentry was augmented beyond herald level I'd say the rate was achieved more rapidly and thus led to the disorientation that was in question. At any rate we're looking at 2 different writers so meh.
Originally posted by Bentley
Was that Superman catching a ship at hypersonic speeds compared to a Hellcarrier that fell off a few meters?Superman and Sentry for you.
Yes this is correct. If you thought about it, they would both have trouble stopping the carrier point blank. inertia is a real thing, and comics often use it to imitate reality. Surface strength was also something that had to be taken into consideration, unless you're under the impression that Sentry couldn't have punched straight through the object that he was trying to keep from splashing down.
Originally posted by Stoic
Yes this is correct. If you thought about it, they would both have trouble stopping the carrier point blank. inertia is a real thing, and comics often use it to imitate reality. Surface strength was also something that had to be taken into consideration, unless you're under the impression that Sentry couldn't have punched straight through the object that he was trying to keep from splashing down.
Lots of characters have showings like the Hellcarrier falling, only with hyped wonders like Sentry we take the time to argue about them, but personally I don't think it's an important thing to discuss. This is my way of saying that I agree with your take essentially.
But still, ship falling through the atmosphere >>> Hellcarrier, which was my rough observation.
Originally posted by Bentley
But still, ship falling through the atmosphere >>> Hellcarrier, which was my rough observation.
Not if you did the math and calculated the G forces involved. The Hellicarrier's size in comparison to a sedan is staggering. The weight difference is as well. All the same DS Sentry is far superior to his old self, and his old self pre death, was enough to break even with the Surfer, if not outright kick his ass. i don't see why anyone would give Norrin the win here.
After all pre death Sentry was able to do something that Norrin could never do. Humble Terrax with a smile, or should I be saying break him with ease?