Iron Fist vs. Black Manta

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Okay so your berating Golgo for not knowing Iron Fists feats despite him (Danny) having been a kmc darling and it should be fairly common knowledge at this point.

Or at the least do a little of your own research, run a google search. Visit KMC's respect thread, at least.

I wouldn't care, if not for him berating people for not knowing about Manta when he didn't even take the time to learn about Danny, even though the info's easily found compared to Manta.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Okay so your berating Golgo for not knowing Iron Fists feats despite him (Danny) having been a kmc darling and it should be fairly common knowledge at this point.

Fair enough I guess, probably a tier honestly, he can't *uck around but both on their respective games Danny shouldn't be touched much if at all.

Also Arthur > David physically.

So, exactly how fast and how are you judging it? What feats does Danny have other than Spider-Man?

Agreed, on the most part but I think Golgo was lashing out at Kaz because of his "wanking Dc characters" accusations.

Originally posted by cdtm
Or at the least do a little of your own research, run a google search. Visit KMC's respect thread, at least.

I wouldn't care, if not for him berating people for not knowing about Manta, who doesn't have nearly the fan base or sources of information that are out there on the various comic sites.

I've read plenty of IF. It's one of my favorite books (IM IF and the current title). I just don't see Danny being all that faster than your basic enhanced beings like Wolverine, Slade, Panther, etc...

Originally posted by Golgo13
So, exactly how fast and how are you judging it? What feats does Danny have other than Spider-Man?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Catching bullets & shrapnel bare handed. Casually dodging multiple machine gunners while in deep thought.

I'm talking about actual fights he has had with beings who have super speed. Fist lost to Fat Cobra because of skill and speed.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I'm talking about actual fights he has had with beings who have super speed. Fist lost to Fat Cobra because of skill and speed.

Cobra was also creating shockwaves just by clapping, something Shang Chi needs Stark Tech to accomplish. And Cobra's thunder clap defeated a horde of elite warriors. He's hardly a street leveler.

But if you want good showings against fast characters:

Spidey.

Gorgon.

Thunderbolt. (A bona fide speedster, who's powers were aging him rapidly from a young man to an old man.)

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Catching bullets & shrapnel bare handed. Casually dodging multiple machine gunners while in deep thought.

Not to mention swatting aside around 50 flechettes or so, said to be capable of penetrating steel, without getting a scratch on him.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not to mention swatting aside around 50 flechettes or so, said to be capable of penetrating steel, without getting a scratch on him.

Aquaman has dodged machine gun fire/bullets before. He's even mentioned that his Atlantean reflexes are much MORE quicker than Slade's, yet Manta keeps up with him much better than Deathstroke.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Black Manta still have Aquaman's DNA mixed with his making him his physical equal?

If so then the speed argument is moot.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Black Manta still have Aquaman's DNA mixed with his making him his physical equal?

If so then the speed argument is moot.

When was this shown? If so, no wonder he is able to do something like this. 😛

Originally posted by Golgo13
When was this shown? If so, no wonder he is able to do something like this. 😛

During the Sub Diego days.

His suit even in the old days augmented his physical abilities. So no not shocking.

Originally posted by -K-M-
During the Sub Diego days.

His suit even in the old days augmented his physical abilities. So no not shocking.

Not surprising. Black Manta just recently survived a tsunami toppling over him and he didn't even have his helmet on.