Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yep. Name one.I died. lmfao. That's the worst excuse ever. Guess Cade and Revan are now invincible! 👆
Telepathy, TK, Lightning. Any of the big 3 will give Sidious pause. And its not as if Nox won't be attacking him too.
I don't understand. We know that Force Bubbles can block lightsabers. The Barsen'thor does it. Nox has also used TK to block a lightsaber. Are you suggesting Vitiate can't do that too?
Telepathy: No it doesn't. Telepathy has never required prep time, nor is there any OFFICIAL suggestion that Vitiates does. He uses it on Revan mid-combat after all, off the cuff. And he's dominated dozens of other Jedi too.
TK: You mean when Vitiate was literally on his knees, clutching his side and panting? And he still shoved Tython back?
Lightning: Not if he uses Lightning Storms on the scale he did against the Jedi Strike Team.
He conjures one while injured in his fight vs the HoT before he pushes her back. And he uses one to block T3's flamethrower. Are you suggesting that probably the most learned Sith in the mythos...... can't use a technique the frickin' Barsen'thor can do?
Telepathy: Revan stated if he had to fight the Imperial Guard, in which he did, Vitiate would have time to prepare. This is backed up by Drew.
TK: Yep, that time. Embarrassing. Besides that, Vitiate has no TK feats notable that aren't on an extremely powerful nexus.
Lightning: That requires time to charge up, via his fight with Revan.
I would think someone on Maul's level could do the same to T3, and when did he ever do that against the Hero? I never seen what you are referring to, unless you are referring to the one second his body is encased in a purple bubble due to game mechanic animations, in which that is not even a confirmed Force Barrier. An unpreped Vitiate is an honest joke. A preped Vitiate is an extremely formidable opponent, however.
To many TOR fans here, where's Temp when you need him?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Telepathy: Revan stated if he had to fight the Imperial Guard, in which he did, Vitiate would have time to prepare.TK: Yep, that time. Embarrassing. Besides that, Vitiate has no TK feats notable.
Lightning: That requires time to charge up, via his fight with Revan.
I would think someone on Maul's level could do the same to T3, and when did he ever do that against the Hero? I never seen what you are referring to, unless you are referring to the one second his body is encased in a purple bubble due to game mechanic animations, in which that is not even a confirmed Force Barrier. An unpreped Vitiate is an honest joke. A preped Vitiate is an extremely formidable opponent, however.
To many TOR fans here, where's Temp when you need him?
Telepathy: Prepare for the fight, not his telepathy. Vitiate uses a Force attack before he attempts TP, so he couldn't be prepping for it.
TK: You mean like how DE Sidious got killed by Han Solo? It sure is embarrassing when you bring up things without context. He collapses the Dark Temple, a massive structure. He also tosses around Revan in their fight and disintegrates T3.
Lightning: No it doesn't. He conjures a huge storm against the Strike Team instantly.
Yes, I'm referring to what is obviously a Force Bubble. If you'd actually played the game you'd know that its identical to the Sith Sorcerers Force Barrier ability. In any case, its clearly a bubble and its in a cutscene so its canon. And as I said, the concept that the Consular could do something Vitiate couldn't is absurd.
I doubt Tempest would agree with you. He's said before that he believes extremely powerful Force users wouldn't be blitzed by the Emperor because of how powerful they are.
The first thing he tried to do after Revan charged him was TP.
He collapsed a Dark Temple on his last desperate act of life, and it was on an extremely powerful temple on an extremely powerful nexus. Vader has collapsed cathedrals yet Sidious still laughs at him. Also you mean the one TK burst he did at Revan which he charged up for the entire 120 feet Revan had to charge him?
He knew they were coming. Prep.
No proof that it is a bubble, many attacks in the game look similar via game mechanics.
"And as I said, the concept that the Consular could do something Vitiate couldn't is absurd." By this logic, any attack anyone can do that Sidious, Yoda, or Luke can't is absurd. 👆
I never said he would get blizted, but rather an unpreped Vitiate would not be that good of a fight for Sidious. His best hope is to stay back and spam Sidious with lightning while Nox battles Sidious. The team wouldn't do that bad if that happened, actually.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Then why are you debating with this unintelligent female?
He used to be cool!
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The first thing he tried to do after Revan charged him was TP.He collapsed a Dark Temple on his last desperate act of life, and it was on an extremely powerful temple on an extremely powerful nexus. Vader has collapsed cathedrals yet Sidious still laughs at him. Also you mean the one TK burst he did at Revan which he charged up for the entire 120 feet Revan had to charge him?
He knew they were coming. Prep.
No proof that it is a bubble, many attacks in the game look similar via game mechanics.
"And as I said, the concept that the Consular could do something Vitiate couldn't is absurd." By this logic, any attack anyone can do that Sidious, Yoda, or Luke can't is absurd. 👆I never said he would get blizted, but rather an unpreped Vitiate would not be that good of a fight for Sidious. His best hope is to stay back and spam Sidious with lightning while Nox battles Sidious. The team wouldn't do that bad if that happened, actually.
And the first thing he did when Revan charged him was TK-smack him across the room.
It doesn't matter if he did it with desperation or if it was on a nexus since he was utterly exhausted, drastically weakened and had just been cut in half. Vader has actually tossed Sidious aside with TK at one point actually. And its not as if Sidious was laughing when he threw him over the railings, was he?
There's no indication of prep. By that logic I could say that Sidious knew the B team was coming and prepped for them. 😉
Many bubble techniques, yeah. 👆 Such as the one Thanaton uses in the Act II ending. Which oh, is also identical to what Vitiate uses.
Yoda and Sidious have been stated to know practically every technique, so um, yeah? I'd say that they could do most techniques, provided they reasonably had access to the knowledge. Just like Vitiate has 1400 years worth of Force Mastery under his belt. I'm pretty ****ing sure he can do a technique Thanaton can.
No, their best shot is to both attack Sidious with the Force together. Theres no way he can tank both of them spamming Force attacks at him.
He used to be cool!
And the first thing he did when Revan charged him was TK-smack him across the room.
It doesn't matter if he did it with desperation or if it was on a nexus since he was utterly exhausted, drastically weakened and had just been cut in half.
Vader has actually tossed Sidious aside with TK at one point actually.
By that logic I could say that Sidious knew the B team was coming and prepped for them. wink
Yoda and Sidious have been stated to know practically every technique, so um, yeah? I'd say that they could do most techniques, provided they reasonably had access to the knowledge. Just like Vitiate has 1400 years worth of Force Mastery under his belt. I'm pretty ****ing sure he can do a technique Thanaton can.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
1. Preparation
2. Nexus
The Emperor waited for the "last possible" moment to unleash his blast on Revan, which would be when Revan covered at least 110 feet. He would be charging up and gathering his strength during Revan's run, it's not as he could just do it on the whim.
So you admit that the preparation was for the TK, not the telepathy?
Its not provably a nexus, if it is its a very weak one and its not provable Vitiate was tapping into it.
That Vitiates reflexes are good enough to be able to wait until the last possible moment is a positive imo. And recall that the whole fight only took a few seconds, its not as if he was charging up for particularly long.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Utterly Exhausted: Scourge said he recovered.
Drastically weakened: Since his ass got kicked by Hero.
Cut in half: Would that even effect a spirit?
Not entirely
Whats your point?
Its noted that dying massively weakened him.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You are referring to the assassination attempt. Sidious designed that assassination attempt and knew it was going to happen, it is more of Sidious jumping out of the way then himself allowing Vader to throw him.
Don't care. Sidious wouldn't laugh at Vader in an actual TK fight.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He didn't use any force abilities in that fight besides lightning at the end...your point doesn't stand. 😉
You can charge up for extra speed, as Bane did against Sirak. Obviously when he "blitzed" the B team he was just using a prepped burst of speed. Then he slows down enough for Windu to be on par with him.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Then Sidious can do it as well. 👆
Of course he can. I can't imagine Sidious or Yoda not being capable of such things.
So you admit that the preparation was for the TK, not the telepathy?
Its not provably a nexus, if it is its a very weak one and its not provable Vitiate was tapping into it.
That Vitiates reflexes are good enough to be able to wait until the last possible moment is a positive imo. And recall that the whole fight only took a few seconds, its not as if he was charging up for particularly long.
Not entirely
Whats your point?
Its noted that dying massively weakened him.
Don't care. Sidious wouldn't laugh at Vader in an actual TK fight.
You can charge up for extra speed, as Bane did against Sirak. Obviously when he "blitzed" the B team he was just using a prepped burst of speed.
Then he slows down enough for Windu to be on par with him.
Of course he can. I can't imagine Sidious or Yoda not being capable of such things.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Imperial Guard prep was probably for the TP, the charge Revan did prep was probably for TK because he didn't expect Revan do be so aggressive.
Lmao. I'm pretty sure thats not how it works. He prepped for TP and then switched to TK halfway through? Waaaat?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Emperor's throne room is an extremely powerful nexus, what are you talking about that? He sat in there experimenting on the Dark Side for hundreds of years.
Lolwut? You think he did his experiments in his throne room??? Thats just dumb. He'd do it in a lab or a study or somewhere else.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
For someone has fast as Sidious, a milisecond can be the difference from life or death. Vitiate will [b]not have time to charge up.[/b]
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Do I need to provide the couple quotes or do I trust you have already seen them?
Dude, we've already had this whole conversation, remember? I pointed out that the quest text says he's weakened no matter if you give him time to gather his energy or not. The whole attack must have taken several hours, I highly doubt a 5 minute sidequest would be enough to have him go from weakened to topped up.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Sidious>>Tython. 😉
Sooooooooo? Its not as the HoT just walked through Vitiates attacks and pwned him, the duel is described as 'apocalyptic' in scale. Just because the HoT beat him doesn't mean Sidious can walk through his attacks, derp. We saw that even exhausted Vitiate could still push the HoT back.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Quote?
Why do you think Vitiate hasn't just possessed a new body and immediately returned? The Hands emails to the Wrath mentions that he's weak and is gathering his strength, which will take quite some time. Darth Marr also says that Vitiate is out of the picture for the forseeable future, even if he's not totally gone. And at the end of Kira's companion quests you learn that Vitiate is freaking the **** out after his death and is basically temporarily insane and impotent.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You're right, because Vader would run away before Sidious could laugh. 👆
Vader could give Sidious a fight with TK.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Quote, or is this your baseless assumptions?
It is stated Vitiate was preped, it is not stated Sidious was.
Its baseless assumptions, just like your argument. 😉
No he isn't.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Glad we can agree.
Question: Do you think Revan could? (motions to his fight in the Foundry)
Well obviously, he does it in his Foundry fight as you mentioned. Duh.
Lmao. I'm pretty sure thats not how it works. He prepped for TP and then switched to TK halfway through? Waaaat?
Lolwut? You think he did his experiments in his throne room??? Thats just dumb. He'd do it in a lab or a study or somewhere else.
Dude, we've already had this whole conversation, remember? I pointed out that the quest text says he's weakened no matter if you give him time to gather his energy or not. The whole attack must have taken several hours, I highly doubt a 5 minute sidequest would be enough to have him go from weakened to topped up.
the duel is described as 'apocalyptic' in scale.
Just because the HoT beat him doesn't mean Sidious can walk through his attacks, derp.
Why do you think Vitiate hasn't just possessed a new body and immediately returned? The Hands emails to the Wrath mentions that he's weak and is gathering his strength, which will take quite some time. Darth Marr also says that Vitiate is out of the picture for the forseeable future, even if he's not totally gone. And at the end of Kira's companion quests you learn that Vitiate is freaking the **** out after his death and is basically temporarily insane and impotent.
Vader could give Sidious a fight with TK.
No he isn't.
Well obviously, he does it in his Foundry fight as you mentioned. Duh.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I was half joking, half being serious.
Vitiate would be preparing to TP Revan while Revan engaged the Imperial Guard, since thats his best attack. Since he is never given the opportunity at the start since Revan just charges him, he now has to charge up for a TK blast. Get me?
No, that's retarded. Show me the quote saying Vitiate prepared his telepathy. Show some form of proof for this ridiculous assumption. Show me anywhere else someone gathering energy for an attack, stopping and gathering energy for another attack and using that attack before going back and using the energy for the first attack after he's already attacked.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
His presence over time would have created a nexus, like DE Sidious.
Theres no indication of that happening.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate would have healed during the several hours.
As I said, he recovered. Just not nearly to full strength.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I love it when authors contradict what's on the screen, which is one of the worst boss fights I have ever seen.
We didn't see the fight. We only saw before the fight and the very end.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan nearly did until he summoned a Force Storm while Revan was 120 feet away. 👆
Revan has better feats of blocking lightning than Sidious does. And Vitiate improved a lot after that fight, since he spends 300 years draining Revan and he is constantly increasing in power normally anyway.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Once again, quote his spirit is injured? I'll concede partially if you give me one.
Seriously, why do you think he needs so long to return? He's recovering his strength.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vader could not choke Dooku from across the galaxy or ragdoll the Maul brothers.
I didn't say he could, I said that he could give a good fight to someone who can.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"He feared they'd have to fight through dozens of the Guard before reaching the Throne Room, giving the Emperor ample time to prepare his counterattack."
Then Revan goes on to battle two Imperial Guard, while Meetra and Scourge do the same. The Emperor is prepping here, as said by Drew.
DERP. We're talking about the TOR Strike Team, not Revan and friends. 😬
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So I can pull this as an auto-win card like you do? Nice. 👆
No, you can use it to argue Revan using it against someone who outmatches him in lightsabers, to prevent them from overwhelming him in that regard.