Logan (2017)

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It has something to do with the corn?

genetically modified corn syrup crops have been altered – possibly by Zander Rice – to supress the mutant gene. This leaves his team with the sole ability to create and control mutants, which they plan to do so as weapons.

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Pretty convenient how Logan, Charles, and Caliban happened to have not eaten said corn, while the rest of mutantkind didn't catch on to what was going on. I would think at least old man Magneto and some would've avoided it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Also the whole X-23/24 thing lined up with the post credit scene in Apocalypse.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

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Pretty convenient how Logan, Charles, and Caliban happened to have not eaten said corn, while the rest of mutantkind didn't catch on to what was going on. I would think at least old man Magneto and some would've avoided it.

True...

The chemicals

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were also in the water, they couldn't avoid it. Also, I thought the reason Logan's HF and Charles' TP were on the fritz was because of those chemicals ****ing with their powers.

Remember that they were both more healthy in the DoFP future despite being in a war. It would also explain why there are almost no living mutants left.

I thought Wolverine's

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failing body was because of adamantium poisoning

I just got back from seeing this. Not the best X-Men film overall, but definitely the best Wolverine film, by a long shot. As others have stated, the villains could have been better, but the story itself was compelling enough to keep me entertained. Also, Xavier was at his best when he was being an angry d***.

Originally posted by Placidity
I thought Wolverine's

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failing body was because of adamantium poisoning

?

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He had adamantium poisoning because of his failing healing factor.

I more figured

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that the corn syrup just messed with their x-gene and weakened their powers over the years, which is why Wolverine was dying from the poisoning and Xavier's powers were weaker/harder to control. It also attacked the gene in normal humans and other mutants stopping any others from being born.

I also figured most of the mutants were killed off in the Westchester Incident by one of Xaviers fits, which likely happened while he was connected to Cerebro and this is why they were on the run by this point.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I more figured

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that the corn syrup just messed with their x-gene and weakened their powers over the years, which is why Wolverine was dying from the poisoning and Xavier's powers were weaker/harder to control. It also attacked the gene in normal humans and other mutants stopping any others from being born.

I also figured most of the mutants were killed off in the Westchester Incident by one of Xaviers fits, which likely happened while he was connected to Cerebro and this is why they were on the run by this point.

That's what I figured as well. Charles and Logan were in much better condition in the DoFP future despite being in a war.

Caught it on Saturday, thought it was decent to good at times, despite generic villains/story. Charles and Logan played well against each other and the films sad moments brought it together, making up for the low/shitty factors. Definitely the best of the three Wolverine films.

I really wish they would have used

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Sabretooth instead of angry-clone-logan as the main threat

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I more figured

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that the corn syrup just messed with their x-gene and weakened their powers over the years, which is why Wolverine was dying from the poisoning and Xavier's powers were weaker/harder to control. It also attacked the gene in normal humans and other mutants stopping any others from being born.

I also figured most of the mutants were killed off in the Westchester Incident by one of Xaviers fits, which likely happened while he was connected to Cerebro and this is why they were on the run by this point.

Not sure that was stated or implied?

I took it as

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definitely an age issue with Xavier and him having a degenerative brain disorder. Logan, again similar, seemed his healing-factor was slowing down due to his extreme age, so his body/immune system couldn't fight off being poisoned by the 100+lbs of adamantium in his body and it was getting progressively worse like an infection, on top of his poor lifestyle of not sleeping much and drinking heavily.

I can buy that

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Xavier accidentally killed the X-Men himself during one of his early mental psychic breakdowns.

Kind of sad that we probably will not get to see old man Magneto again in the X-Men franchise even if Magneto as the villain was repetitive.

Though I have to say

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Modified corn being the cause of the mutant population decline is pretty effective if a bit silly. Figured the movie would've went with an offshoot of the Legacy Virus. Well at least it wasn't Terrigen Mist. Also Charles killing off the Xmen after having an attack does seem tragic and kind of weird considering the Xmen had just been recast.

This film takes place in the future, all their younger selves are still there in the current timeline. Though that gets more and more muddled the more X-Men films they make.

I imagine this film leads from the end of DoFP, where we see an older, but still functional/healthy Logan and Charles at the end. Shit goes South in the near future from there.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Kind of sad that we probably will not get to see old man Magneto again in the X-Men franchise even if Magneto as the villain was repetitive.

Though I have to say

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Modified corn being the cause of the mutant population decline is pretty effective if a bit silly. Figured the movie would've went with an offshoot of the Legacy Virus. Well at least it wasn't Terrigen Mist. Also Charles killing off the Xmen after having an attack does seem tragic and kind of weird considering the Xmen had just been recast.

They couldn't really

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make use of the Terrigen Mist in anyways, given that Inhumans feature prominently in the MCU, on AoS. The corn thing is actually a pretty good idea if you stop to think about it, seeing as how corn is used in a lot of different consumable products.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
They couldn't really

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make use of the Terrigen Mist in anyways, given that Inhumans feature prominently in the MCU, on AoS. The corn thing is actually a pretty good idea if you stop to think about it, seeing as how corn is used in a lot of different consumable products.

Well yeah

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The corn thing is a good idea but I mentioned it was silly due to how simple and easily accessible the medium was. I was joking about the Terrigen Mist due to how its been the more recent cause of Mutants, once again, being endangered in the comics.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure that was stated or implied?

I took it as

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definitely an age issue with Xavier and him having a degenerative brain disorder. Logan, again similar, seemed his healing-factor was slowing down due to his extreme age, so his body/immune system couldn't fight off being poisoned by the 100+lbs of adamantium in his body and it was getting progressively worse like an infection, on top of his poor lifestyle of not sleeping much and drinking heavily.

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You hear about the Westchester Incident on the radio and Xavier is haunted by something he did in the past so it's safe to assume the Westchester Incident was caused by him. After doing some research just now though, it turns out the number affected in the incident was 600 which means he didn't wipe out all mutants. Just everyone at his school and some of the surrounding area.

Also with Xaviers case, the seizures were due to a degenerative brain disorder like you said, but the actual power he wielded while lucid was pretty weak. He struggled to even control those horses and bring them back, whereas X2 Xavier could have done that on a simple whim. Same with Wolverines healing factor. It was a shell of what it once was. We can assume neither are really due to old age since the future in DoFP was just a few years before Logan and both Logan and Xavier were at full power.

We also know that Strykers son, Rice, owned the cornsyrup manufacture plant and that he's credited with having wiped out all mutants. He genetically altered his product to attack the x-gene and this supressed the gene in the entire population. I can't remember if this part is implied or outright stated, but it seems to be generally accepted. We can then assume that all the mutants that were still surviving lost their powers over time similarly, with Logan having the most resistance to the corn syrup thanks to his abilities, and Charles presumably just being so powerful that the effect probably took longer on him.

I've got to say though...

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knowing how it all tragically ends for the X-men makes me wonder what the point of future movies is. You're all gonna die anyways. It turns out I should have been rooting for Magneto the entire past 17 years. He was right. :/

Originally posted by Arachnid1
It's mostly implied.

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You hear about the Westchester Incident on the radio and Xavier is haunted by something he did in the past so it's safe to assume the Westchester Incident was caused by him. After doing some research just now though, it turns out the number affected in the incident was 600 which means he didn't wipe out all mutants. Just everyone at his school and some of the surrounding area.

Also with Xaviers case, the seizures were due to a degenerative brain disorder like you said, but the actual power he wielded while lucid was pretty weak. He struggled to even control those horses and bring them back, whereas X2 Xavier could have done that on a simple whim. Same with Wolverines healing factor. It was a shell of what it once was. We can assume neither are really due to old age since the future in DoFP was just a few years before Logan and both Logan and Xavier were at full power.

We also know that Strykers son, Rice, owned the cornsyrup manufacture plant and that he's credited with having wiped out all mutants. He genetically altered his product to attack the x-gene and this supressed the gene in the entire population. I can't remember if this part is implied or outright stated, but it seems to be generally accepted. We can then assume that all the mutants that were still surviving lost their powers over time similarly, with Logan having the most resistance to the corn syrup thanks to his abilities, and Charles presumably just being so powerful that the effect probably took longer on him.

I got you on the Westchester incident, that makes sense

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still not so sure on the corn-syrup making active mutants weaker, more so than stopping more from ever being born, which was what Rice said and then Logan commented that no new mutants had been born in 25 years, iirc.

Kind of feel that their DoFP selves was just an oversight by the writer/director, which is not uncommon in this franchise.

I think Cyborg-Soldiers were the ones who took out many of the mutants though with Caliban's help, he tracked them down; they did the killing, that also seemed to be the source of the mutant DNA they used to create the children

You could be correct though, do wonder if there's an official statement. Would like to know.

To your edited last line, the continuity of these films is fluid, so it could be just one possible future of many. But yeah, good point there. Seems

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Team Magneto

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We also have Eden and the children though, who knows who survived

Originally posted by Robtard
I got you on the Westchester incident, that makes sense

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still not so sure on the corn-syrup making active mutants weaker, more so than stopping more from ever being born, which was what Rice said and then Logan commented that no new mutants had been born in 25 years, iirc.

Kind of feel that their DoFP selves was just an oversight by the writer/director, which is not uncommon in this franchise.

I think Cyborg-Soldiers were the ones who took out many of the mutants though with Caliban's help, he tracked them down; they did the killing, that also seemed to be the source of the mutant DNA they used to create the children

You could be correct though, do wonder if there's an official statement. Would like to know.

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Yeah I could see DoFP being an oversight too, but I cant see Pierce and his cyborg soldiers killing whats left. Even over years. You can't keep something like that secret. Plus, there were millions of mutants on earth according to Cerebro. Hunting them all down one by one with a small unit that got wiped out by just a few mutants doesn't seem realistic. I have, however, read an article that tried to argue that Pierce and his soldiers just hunted down any surviving stragglers (like Wolverine and Xavier) using Caliban after the corn syrup did its work. I could definitely see that being possible.

TBH, I thought it was kind of cool how they left it all to be pieced together instead of outsright stating it. I'm alright with them leaving it all to discussion and the imagination

Originally posted by Robtard
To your edited last line, the continuity of these films is fluid, so it could be just one possible future of many. But yeah, good point there. Seems

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Team Magneto

was the way to go.

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We also have Eden and the children though, who knows who survived

Possible new start?

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Still, I'm not sure how they'd avoid consuming the corn syrup if it's already saturated throughout the planet. We'd have to hope their lab origins makes them immune. I guess the fact that Rice made them and the syrup would suggest they would be since he wouldn't want to destroy his own creation at first. Although it would still take them thousands of years to spread the new mutant gene all over the planet like it once was.

So I guess after all

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Charles should've just let Magneto kill Rogue and turn everyone into(possibly unstable) Mutants.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I've got to say though...

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knowing how it all tragically ends for the X-men makes me wonder what the point of future movies is. You're all gonna die anyways. It turns out I should have been rooting for Magneto the entire past 17 years. He was right. :/

Well, Jackman said it's a separate timeline to the main one. And

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the film supports that notion. We find out that no new mutants have been born in 25 years. Yet the film is set in 2029. But at the end of DoFP, which is set in 2023, we see plenty of mutant children in the school (younger than 18-19 years old), after Logan wakes up from his mental time jump.