I'm offended if you don't think I know Revan's story. The KOTOR story was Revan began to fall to the Dark Side during the Mando Wars and Malachor V was the turning point. However he was never a true Dark Lord until the Outer Rims and the Star Forge, which was when he embraced it completely.
However some old texts also suggest that the Mando Wars were designed by Revan to corrupt the Jedi, implying Revan was always evil. This is said by the Chronicles of the Old Republic and numerous of your companions in KOTOR2 (mainly Atton and Traya). I added this in to the options in description.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm offended if you don't think I know Revan's story. The KOTOR story was Revan began to fall to the Dark Side during the Mando Wars and Malachor V was the turning point. However he was never a true Dark Lord until the Outer Rims and the Star Forge, which was when he embraced it completely.
Why the hell do you think he was looking for the Star Forge in the first place... The dude was dark side prior to finding the Star Forge.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Revan didn't start the Mando wars, he joined them. That's... always been the case.
Why the hell do you think he was looking for the Star Forge in the first place... The dude was a "Sith" prior to finding the Star Forge.
I prefer the Kotor II version where Revan was always a morally ambiguous genius who chose to fall to the dark side to best protect the galaxy. Its just so much more interesting than "power hungry assh0le becomes a bigger assh0le because war."
As I recall, this was even hinted at in Kotor I with the star map on Kashyyyk.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan was never officially Darth Revan until he held the Star Forge in his possession, because it was the Star Forge that finished corrupting him. There were like 5 dialogue exchanges about this in KOTOR (maybe you need to reply it), and it's even mentioned in the Revan novel that says along the lines of: The official story was he was corrupted by the Dark energies of the Star Forge.
That he wasn't called Darth Revan prior to the Star Forge is totally irrelevant. He was clearly a dark sider prior to discovering the SF. This is evident in not only that he sought the Star Forge but also the way he fought the Mandalorian Wars and that he passed the Star Maps "trials". The original story (the one presented in KotOR) was that he fell during the Mandalorian Wars.
Yeah you don't gain extra powers by taking 'Darth' in to your name. He could have called himself Slappy and he'd still be dark.
Originally posted by NephthysAs much as I didn't like the godhood Revan received in #2, I did like the moral ambiguity it added for him.
I prefer the Kotor II version where Revan was always a morally ambiguous genius who [b]chose to fall to the dark side to best protect the galaxy. Its just so much more interesting than "power hungry assh0le becomes a bigger assh0le because war."As I recall, this was even hinted at in Kotor I with the star map on Kashyyyk. [/B]
Originally posted by ares834
That he wasn't called Darth Revan prior to the Star Forge is totally irrelevant. He was clearly a dark sider prior to discovering the SF. This is evident in not only that he sought the Star Forge but also the way he fought the Mandalorian Wars and that he passed the Star Maps "trials". The original story (the one presented in KotOR) was that he fell during the Mandalorian Wars.
I am referring to the 25 quotes that say all say along the lines of Malak and Revan left the Mandalorian Wars as heroes, they returned as something else. Note that at this point they discover the first Star Map after the war, yet are still Jedi:
watch?v=bgH7Pb4GN_Y
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
As much as I didn't like the godhood Revan received in #2, I did like the moral ambiguity it added for him.
Even I think it was excessive, but Revan was a truly fascinating character in Kotor II since he written as actually being a incomprehensible genius instead of it just being an informed attribute like it is everywhere else. His plans actually were brilliant, like how he was planting various seeds all over the galaxy and was purposefully influencing the Jedi during the war and a dozen other subtle plans that get brought up in the game. And to top it off you learn that he was always just preparing for an enemy no-one else was even aware of.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Even I think it was excessive, but Revan was a truly fascinating character in Kotor II since he written as actually being a incomprehensible genius instead of it just being an informed attribute like it is everywhere else. His plans actually were brilliant, like how he was planting various seeds all over the galaxy and was purposefully influencing the Jedi during the war and a dozen other subtle plans that get brought up in the game. And to top it off you learn that he was always just preparing for an enemy no-one else was even aware of.
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When KotOR II came out, Revan was a contender, somewhat behind Thrawn, of tactical and strategic genius of the SW mythos. Then came Revan and TOR, and he became something of an idiot savant.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. You are referring to the theory created by the Jedi Council of #1, but is later debunked once the player discovers the Star Forge. However this theory is later resurrected and used heavily in #2 by the Jedi Council and Atris, since it related to the Exile.
Show me where it is debunked.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I am referring to the 25 quotes that say all say along the lines of Malak and Revan left the Mandalorian Wars as heroes, they returned as something else. Note that at this point they discover the first Star Map after the war, yet are still Jedi:
watch?v=bgH7Pb4GN_Y
And? They were "heroes" but were still dark siders as evident by their actions.
As for the video, why the hell do you think they are looking for the Star Forge? To give it as a gift to the Senate?
lol
BTW, even if though they are still "Jedi" at this time does not mean that they aren't dark siders.