Show me where it is debunked.
As for the video, why the hell do you think they are looking for the Star Forge? To give it as a gift to the Senate?
hey were "heroes" but were still dark siders as evident by their actions. BTW, even if though they are still "Jedi" at this time does not mean that they aren't dark siders.
You are not understanding what I am trying to say, and you think I am disagreeing with you on this part, because I am not. Revan did use the Dark Side in the Mando Wars, I'm not denying that. But rather instead he never fully embraced the Dark Side until he went into the Unknown Regions and encountered the Star Forge.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Because they didn't know about the Star Forge yet.
Which doesn't debunk anything...
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No where does it say they were looking. They could have found it by accident for all that matters.
Uh, in the video you posted they clearly were looking for the Star Forge.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You are not understanding what I am trying to say, and you think I am disagreeing with you on this part, because I am not. Revan did use the Dark Side in the Mando Wars, I'm not denying that. But rather instead he never [b]fully embraced the Dark Side until he went into the Unknown Regions and encountered the Star Forge. [/B]
Revan clearly wanted to conquer the galaxy prior to finding the Star Forge. Seems pretty clear they (or at least Revan) were "fully embracing" the dark side (whatever that means) prior to it's discovery.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Which really made no sense since he only knew about this enemy at the end of the Mandalorian Wars.
I think that was only established after Kotor II. I mean, Canderous flat out tells you that the Sith orchestrated the entire Mandalorian Wars, so I doubt that it was inconceivable that Revan knew from the start about them, if even Canderous knew about it.
Which doesn't debunk anything...
Uh, in the video you posted they clearly were looking for the Star Forge.
Revan clearly wanted to conquer the galaxy prior to finding the Star Forge. Seems pretty clear they (or at least Revan) were "fully embracing" the dark side (whatever that means) prior to it's discovery.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Council's belief was Revan turned Sith during the Mandalorian Wars, because they didn't know about Revan discovering the Star Forge.
Which debunks Revan falling to the DS during the MW how?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. It starts with them pacing around. They could have discovered it and decided to check it out, or Revan heard about it and decided to rather of not follow the path. So many different ways...
however this leads to think, if they didn't just stumble upon it, how did they even know that the Star Forge existed?
Even if they happened to just stumble upon the first Star Map they continued looking for it afterwards.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan did not want to conqueror the galaxy until he found out about the True Sith, which was in the Unknown Regions.
Uh, I thought were talking about Revan's fall while only using the 1st KotOR. But, if we take into consideration KotOR 2, Rvean is clearly fully dark side at the end of the Mandalorian Wars as evident by his use of the Mass Shadow Generator.
Which debunks Revan falling to the DS during the MW how?
Even if they happened to just stumble upon the first Star Map they continued looking for it afterwards.
Uh, I thought were talking about Revan's fall while only using the 1st KotOR. But, if we take into consideration KotOR 2, Rvean is clearly fully dark side at the end of the Mandalorian Wars as evident by his use of the Mass Shadow Generator.
ALL THE DIFFERENT ONES:
1. Revan was always evil, and he orchestrated the Mando Wars. (GOT0 in #2)
2. Revan fell to the dark side during Mando Wars completely. (Jedi Council, #1, #2)
3. Revan touched the dark side in the wars, but never truely fell until the Unknown Regions. (numerous times throughout #1, implied in various books)
4. Revan fell to the Dark Side on Malachor V (Some Council Members in #2)
5. Revan fell to the Darkside by his own choice (Darth Traya in #2, Chronicles of the Old Republic)
6. Revan fell to the Darkside and became a Sith on Korriban (TCSWE)
7. Revan is mind****ed by Vitiate (The Revan novel) [Canon version]
8. Revan embraced the Darkside during Mando Wars and is called by Vitiate to join him (Crazy Revan in TOR)
And prior to them finding the Star Forge.Just like I initially said. thumb up
Originally posted by Nephthys
I prefer the Kotor II version where Revan was always a morally ambiguous genius who [b]chose to fall to the dark side to best protect the galaxy. Its just so much more interesting than "power hungry assh0le becomes a bigger assh0le because war."
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You're mixing up cause and effect. He wasn't some genius because he chose to be bad but rather that he was always strategically sound despite going dark.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
[B]ALL THE DIFFERENT ONES:
1. Revan was always evil, and he orchestrated the Mando Wars. (GOT0 in #2)
2. Revan fell to the dark side during Mando Wars completely. (Jedi Council, #1, #2)
3. Revan touched the dark side in the wars, but never truely fell until the Unknown Regions. (numerous times throughout #1, implied in various books)
4. Revan fell to the Dark Side on Malachor V (Some Council Members in #2)
5. Revan fell to the Darkside by his own choice (Darth Traya in #2, Chronicles of the Old Republic)
6. Revan fell to the Darkside and became a Sith on Korriban (TCSWE)
7. Revan is mind****ed by Vitiate (The Revan novel) [Canon version]
8. Revan embraced the Darkside during Mando Wars and is called by Vitiate to join him (Crazy Revan in TOR)But still after the Mando Wars, which you are in the belief they fell completely during it. [/B]
Revan was pretty clearly a dubious guy even before the Mandalorian War, with his weird cult, creepy hood, lust for knowledge, assassin droid factory and all the teachings from Kreia. Isn't it established in the comics that he was fairly dark anyway?
My opinion is that he was always going to break away from the Jedi in some capacity and was using the war to influence his followers away from Jedi doctrine to a more dark side approach and maybe even establish his own, new Order but then he went full on Sith after meeting the Emperor. I highly doubt Revan was ever going to go back to the Order after he defied them like he and his followers did.
Originally posted by ares834
Uh, no. I said in the original story (solely KotOR) that is the case and is what is presented to us.
Originally posted by Based
You're mixing up cause and effect. He wasn't some genius because he chose to be bad but rather that he was always strategically sound despite going dark.
My impression has always been that Revan was such a brilliant strategist in part because he wasn't confined by ethics, allowing him to make the tough choices and make necessary sacrifices that a regular Jedi wouldn't even consider. I believe it was said in the games that he was sacrificing whole worlds to gain the strategic edge.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That Revan was corrupted by the Star Forge is another plot line introduced toward the end of the game, which is the one I favor.
And I'll ask again. Show me where this is mentioned (that the Star Forge corrupted Revan) as he was clearly a dark sider prior to its discovery.