Bastila Shan and Revan Vs Anakin Skywalker and Ahsoka Tano

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I think putting him higher than Dooku is being overwhelmingly generous, people fail to realize Dooku being someone who can compete with Yoda on fair ground is astounding.

Not to say Revan isn't definitely up there as well, though. Ant's more recent finds, as small as they may seem, are truly adding to Revan's credibility largely.

As is Revan competing with Vitiate and pwning SF Malak and Nyriss.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I don't find it funny, really. Revan's feats simply aren't as good as Anakin's in any area other than his immense knowledge and intelligence.

Anakin is frankly the more powerful, and the more skilled, no matter how you look at it.

Yeah, they are. In numerous cases they're better. Anakin wouldn't last 3 seconds against Vitiate, Anakin couldn't do what Revan did to Nyriss and I doubt Anakin could defeat Malak as Revan did.

No, he's not. Revan is, as you said, highly skilled in a half dozen different forms and has legendary battle precognition. And his mastery of the Force utterly eclipses Anakin's. Revan casually palming Nyriss' lightning is a greater feat of raw power than anything short of Zonakin. Revans TK is superior to Anakins as well with his feat against the Strike Team and with how well he took Vitiates TK attack. Revan possesses powerful lightning and Force Drain and he has superior telepathic resistance with how he resisted Vitiate for centuries.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
As I said, defeating such powerful creatures is a highly impressive feat. I simply don't think it constitutes to Revan's capability in a sophisticated duel, even if they're horrifyingly powerful monsters, they're still wild untamed beasts.

I didn't say its proof of skill, so much as it is raw combat ability. Remember, Terentateks are resistant to lightsabers as well as the Force.

Wouldn't be a pretty good speed feat for the Wrath then if he had to hit the Terentatek like 200 times with that training saber for the beast to die while moving away from its attacks?

Nothing says he's replenishing his health, the more accurate term I would use is "sustaining oneself".

The Jedi's Force Energies are fuel, not med-packs. The greater likelyhood is that Malak would be replenishing his Force Reserves, which in turn could also be used to heal himself I suppose--Except that the cutscenes don't back up him doing that canonically, only the gameplay does.

And again, that being the case would be extremely, extremely impracticable. In fact, Revan would have to be an utter imbecile to let a defeated foe crawl/walk away and heal himself and come back to fight.

"The Sith Lord had grotesquely adapted the Rakatan device to draw energy directly from chained Jedi captives. He replenished his life force from the captives by draining theirs. Malak was nearly unstoppable, but the Republic emerged from that epic conflict victorious, as the Star Forge was eventually destroyed.
―Star Wars Databanks

[QUOTE]Anakin wouldn't last 3 seconds against Vitiate,

Prove it. Because so far, the Hero of Tython topped Vitiate on a Nexus, and Anakin has better feats than him.

I doubt Anakin could defeat Malak as Revan did.

Malak lacks the feats to even suggest he could be greater than Anakin.

Revan is, as you said, highly skilled in a half dozen different forms

Impressive as that is, it isn't putting him above top tier duelists. Despite Dooku being only masterful of one form, he's still one of the best swordsmen in the mythos.

Revan casually palming Nyriss' lightning is a greater feat of raw power than anything short of Zonakin.

Pfft, collapsing a 90x270 ft dome is a far greater showing of raw power, don't kid yourself.

Revans TK is superior to Anakins as well with his feat against the Strike Team

Gameplay. And even if it weren't, it's still not better than Anakin's feat.

Revan possesses powerful telepathic resistance with how he resisted Vitiate for centuries.

Not seeing how this will even apply in a fight with Anakin.

I didn't say its proof of skill, so much as it is raw combat ability. Remember, Terentateks are resistant to lightsabers as well as the Force.

Yeah, well, my passage was about Revan's lightsaber skills. I did not need to include it. /topic

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"The Sith Lord had grotesquely adapted the Rakatan device to draw energy directly from chained Jedi captives. He replenished his life force from the captives by draining theirs. Malak was nearly unstoppable, but the Republic emerged from that epic conflict victorious, as the Star Forge was eventually destroyed.
―Star Wars Databanks

Given the above, Revan had to have defeated Malak at least 3 times, since it says captives, plural.

Which is very impressive.

And even if Malak were replenishing his Force reserves, isn't that the same thing as him being defeated? If he'd depleted his Force reserves, thats basically the sane thing as losing or nearly losing.

He beat him 7, via the cutscenes then. 😉

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While I congratulate you for finding a quote that mentions his life force, the passage actually doesn't contradict me at all. Malak replenishing his life force doesn't mean he was injured, just that he didn't have the reserves to face Revan on his own, even when amped.

And again, if what you are saying is the case, Revan would have to be an imbecile to allow a limping opponent to walk to his Jedi Slurpies and replenish himself. Everything you said about Revan's great intelligence and strategy would be down the drain. XD

K, good effort, but no.
Like I said, replenish means to refill, meaning there was nothing left in the first place. Nothing left as in health or force power. For in the end, like Neph said, it's all but the same. He beat Malak 7 times. He could have stood their for countless reasons, or due to the sheer fact he was confident he could beat the next Malak as well. As Traya said, everything Revan does will aid him someway in terms of strategy.

And even if Malak were replenishing his Force reserves, isn't that the same thing as him being defeated? If he'd depleted his Force reserves, thats basically the sane thing as losing or nearly losing.

Something like that, but not really. Surely without his little bloodbags he would have run out of his reserves much faster and fallen prey to Revan much faster, it's not quite like he was repeatedly defeated. Only that his "stamina" as you will was increased and thus Revan had to fight him much longer before he finally went down.

Either way I'm not sure why we're arguing it, because it's an impressive feat either way.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
K, good effort, but no.
Like I said, replenish means to refill, meaning there was nothing left in the first place

Eh, no.

I can refill a half empty water bottle at a water fountain, thank you much.

ALSO: May I mention that it would be extremely demeaning for Malak if a single random Jedi's force reserves could COMPLETELY replenish his own? He would have to be fodder for that to be the case... Which obviously isn't the case.

1. No one refills water bottles with water fountains.
2. I would say it would have to be less then half empty to even be considered to be replenishing, based on the definitions.

ALSO: The Jedi were amped by the Star Forge, plus PIS.

1. No one refills water bottles with water fountains.

The water fountains at my school have both a drinking fountain and a bottle refilling compartment installed.

2. I would say it would have to be less then half empty to even be considered to be replenishing, based on the definitions.

Being halfway to defeat is a lot different than being defeated and getting up and being defeated again x7 dude. That would be stupid.

ALSO: The Jedi were amped by the Star Forge, plus PIS.

Why would lightside Jedi be amped by the Star Forge, exactly?

Originally posted by Nephthys
As is Revan competing with Vitiate and pwning SF Malak

According to Drew it was a hard and brutal fight broski.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
According to Drew it was a hard and brutal fight broski.

The water fountains at my school have both a drinking fountain and a bottle refilling compartment installed.

Being halfway to defeat is a lot different than being defeated and getting up and being defeated again x7 dude. That would be stupid.

Why would lightside Jedi be amped by the Star Forge, exactly?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Prove it. Because so far, the Hero of Tython topped Vitiate on a Nexus, and Anakin has better feats than him.

Is this a joke? Vitiate would curbstomp Anakin. I'm sure even Tempest would agree with that, lol.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Malak lacks the feats to even suggest he could be greater than Anakin.

Malak was the undisputed ruler of a vast Sith Empire AND he was being significantly amped. Before the fight he was casually choking two Jedi at once without even looking at them and killed them with 2 simultaneous Force attacks, while still choking them.

And I was more talking about how just don't see Anakin: Fighting through hordes of Sith and troops, defeating amped Bastila 4 times in a row, defeating the room of unlimited droids AND THEN beating Malak several times in a row.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Impressive as that is, it isn't putting him above top tier duelists. Despite Dooku being only masterful of one form, he's still one of the best swordsmen in the mythos.

I'm talking about skill. Anakin is a master of just one form, Revan is a master of tons. Surely that's relevant in discussing their respective skill.

Dooku is masterful of tons of different forms, Makashi is just the one he loves so much he ****s it.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Pfft, collapsing a 90x270 ft dome is a far greater showing of raw power, don't kid yourself.

Lol, no it isn't. Not even close. Give me a sledgehammer and I could probably collapse that roof. All Anakin did was damage it enough that it collapsed on its own.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Gameplay. And even if it weren't, it's still not better than Anakin's feat.

Its vastly superior to Anakin's. And its canon.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not seeing how this will even apply in a fight with Anakin.

Its an indication of raw power.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yeah, well, my passage was about Revan's lightsaber skills. I did not need to include it. /topic

I don't care, I'm only pointing out that its a great feat.

I wonder if Anakin could do it...... mmm

At my school we have one water fountain that is ice cold in the Winter and burning hot in the Summer.

Pfft, we literally have dozens around the school that are cold year-round. /richspoiledpeeps

True, but he wouldn't always be halfway. Sometimes he might have been 1/4, or one time he might have been 1/10, etc etc.

Or 7/10ths. We don't really have know. Also, as I mentioned before, the reserves of those Jedi are not as large as Malak's, it's unlikely that a single one would replenish a full half of his energy realistically.

Pfft, we literally have dozens around the school that are cold year-round. /richspoiledpeeps

Or 7/10ths. We don't really have know. Also, as I mentioned before, the reserves of those Jedi are not as large as Malak's, it's unlikely that a single one would replenish a full half of his energy realistically.

Lol, no it isn't. Not even close. Give me a sledgehammer and I could probably collapse that roof. All Anakin did was damage it enough that it collapsed on its own.

Doubt it. The feat terrified Dooku, and made him rethink the Sith's position in the universe.

/ghettoboisandsluttygirls

/aidsinacan