Originally posted by NewGuy01
Krayt impressed me more in FOTJ than in Legacy tbh.
And here's the thing: Fate of the Jedi Krayt is stronger than Krayt for 80% of Legacy. Without a doubt.
Krayt from FotJ had his symbionts- which enhanced him physically- but they had not yet grown to the point to hamper him otherwise.
Krayt from Legacy had them eating at him for decades more, hurting his endurance and reducing his force powers because he had to spend constant effort just to fight them.
But Reborn Krayt? Not only was he healthy again like back in FotJ, not only did he have new abilities he grasped when experiences death, but he'd had the 'weight training' of 80 years of constant effort that could now be put into play.
He accomplished something with the force that hadn't been done before, that FotJ Krayt didn't have the ability to but he did.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He was draining them before his death too, though.No-one is denying that Krayt is very powerful, he and Malgus are on the same tier in my eyes, but tbh I consider Malgus to be the very strongest one on that tier, below the Vitiate, Bane, Yoda, Hord, Sidious, HoT, Nihilus, Plagueis tier.
See, I don't put Bane in that tier, I put him in the Malgus tier, and only with his orbalisks do I put him around the top of it.
Part of Bane's whole thing was he was surpassable and he knew it. He had very high potential, which allowed him to accomplish a lot in one lifetime, but Bane knew he was not the pinnacle, that he couldn't reconstruct the peaks of force knowledge in one lifetime, that more than what he had was necessarily for his plan.
I do not think that if you asked Bane himself that he'd put himself above Revan or Malgus.
And yet Banes raw capabilities speak for themselves. Top tier lightning, top tier speed, (near)top tier TK, extreme mental resistance, mighty strength, profound Force knowledge.
Bane considered himself surpassable, yes, yet in the case of his successors, Zannah was his notable inferior in combat and Cognus was notable for her unique abilities, not her raw Force strength.
Maul and Kenobi? Lolwut? haermm
Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
Opinions on Vitiate for example seem to be mixed.
Vitiate possesses the strongest telepathic abilities in the mythos, able to utterly dominate opponents with his almost infallible will. In this area he is superior to even the Dread Masters, a single one of whom can dominate armies and together can destroy fleets with their mental assaults (the Dread Masters subservience to him is one of the greatest indicators of his power IMO, those guys are ****ing insanely powerful).
He also possesses probably the strongest lightning in the mythos, said to be 'infinitely more powerful' than the lightning of Nyriss, which was strong enough to utterly disintegrate herself despite tearing through a Force Shield. He also casually pwned a group of 4 of the strongest TOR era Jedi at once.
In terms of TK he collapsed a massive temple while so exhausted he could barely stand and so wounded he literally couldn't stand/he had just been killed. And disintegrated a droid.
Vitiate is arguably the most knowledgeable Force User ever given his immense age and highly scholarly personality.
And lastly a prepared Vitiate is the most dominant Force user barring a Nihilus Giga-Drain, twice wiping out the Dark Council by himself, a group made up of the twelve most powerful Sith in his Empire. In one of the instances, he killed them all in a single attack.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And yet Banes raw capabilities speak for themselves. Top tier lightning, top tier speed, (near)top tier TK, extreme mental resistance, mighty strength, profound Force knowledge.
And not only do others have those, but there's abilities he didn't really have, not even talking near-unique ones like dark transfer. Tutaminis, for example.
It is those things that put him in Malgus-tier, because, well, that's what one *expects* from those in that tier.
Being good all-around isn't as good as being good all-around *and* having special, unique advantages (which Bane only really had when he has orbalisk). Bane probably didn't have raw strength in the force above Malgus or FateKrayt. Both others are also known for their high physical strength. And so on.
Bane's profound force knowledge is knowledge he himself will admit is less than the ancients, and less than his successors would obtain.
Bane considered himself surpassable, yes, yet in the case of his successors, Zannah was his notable inferior in combat
But still superior enough overall to triumph over DoE Bane legitimately. Non-orbalisk Bane was surpassed in his lifetime.
Originally posted by Q99
And not only do others have those, but there's abilities he didn't really have, not even talking near-unique ones like dark transfer. Tutaminis, for example.It is those things that put him in Malgus-tier, because, well, that's what one *expects* from those in that tier.
Being good all-around isn't as good as being good all-around *and* having special, unique advantages (which Bane only really had when he has orbalisk). Bane probably didn't have raw strength in the force above Malgus or FateKrayt. Both others are also known for their high physical strength. And so on.
Bane's profound force knowledge is knowledge he himself will admit is less than the ancients, and less than his successors would obtain.
Sidious, Vitiate and Nihilus haven't demonstrated Tutaminis either, to my knowledge. I don't know if even Luke has.
Sidious and Yoda lack unique abilities, yet they're so powerful in their core powers that they are top tier combatants, just like Bane. Being excellent all-around is better than being good all-around with a unique ability.
Which doesn't matter when comparing to Krayt and Malgus, since its still better than what those two had access to. Also don't forget that the RoT Sith lost a great portion of their Force knowledge at one point.
Originally posted by Q99
But still superior enough overall to triumph over DoE Bane legitimately. Non-orbalisk Bane was surpassed in his lifetime.
She didn't really. It was only a situational technique that beat him. Which I intensely dislike, but still.
I don't know why people still make that argument. Bane's entire point was that the Sith would never be able to defeat the Jedi via military prowess or via the duelling arts (whether he was right or not, that was his opinion), but rather would have to bide their time, slowly expand their knowledge of the darkside, spread their influence throughout the Galaxy, be patient and wait, for the perfect moment to strike, all the while honing their skills in espionage and manipulation.
His direct successor happened to be more powerful, but that wasn't at all emblematic of how succession in the Rule of Two would be, and her showings of untrained ability with the Force would suggest that her raw power >>>>>>>>>> 99.99999% of Force Users.
So far we are off topic.
However, I am currently in favor of Krayt from Q99's posts.
Your => was taken from SWF's old >= which was taken from KMC's >/=.
>= is the symbolization of the chains of slavery and bullying. The = is, as you suspected, a chain, while the > is yourself trying to go in that same direction, but the chain is stopping you. Represents SWF well.
=> is the symbolization of regardless what struggles you encounter, the light will always be superior. The > is now behind the chain, which holds the significance that the chains no longer strangle the progress, but rather the progress is fighting off the chains. Excellent.