Originally posted by Selenial
Ok, no, I was just the most open about it.Everyone else was a lot more subtle.
My reasoning? You're a raging fanboy, you know nothing of other Eras so you have no one to compare your little theories with. You'll take quotes out of context and repeat them time after time expecting people to take them seriously. Quote dumping means nothing if you can't compare.
You tried to pass the Sith Emperor off as the most powerful sith ever to exist in the SW universe from one IN UNIVERSE quote that said he was the most powerful to date, and didn't stop spamming that quote for about 2 months.
No one there takes you seriously, I'm just one of the few people who's open about it.
Your arguments mean nothing to me, because, to quote Traya, "You fail to listen, to understand"
It's a shame, wasted potential really.
Point me a single person who isn't fan of some characters and even some eras in general. We all fit in this.
Also, read this:
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
"The most powerful" systems are flawed in their design because someone will always be made better as time goes on. Tiers are more comfortable to deal with, having the most prominent member of that tier as its representative.
This member gets it.
This is all a matter of perspective and interpretation of available information. I am not the author of Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia and their really is no consensus on the subject about most powerful characters in the mythos even at official capacity.
Heck, check out some latest revelations from Disney Administration: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t597947.html
Notice some revisions or lack of consensus?
Also, I am not sure if you speak for everybody in a forum. Of-course you and few others are more vocal and simply gang-up on members who dare to argue against consensus reached by you and your friends in various topics.
And what about your extreme views?
Meetra > Revan
Caedus > Sith Emperor
I am sure I can find more gems if I would engage in a search. I call easily label you a raging fangirl of Meetra at-least.
So let us be realistic, we all have tendency to get carried away in matters of Star Wars.
You do not like my arguments because you know they carry substance and are mostly supported. This scares you and some others. Hard to argue against facts, right?
In-fact, your problems with me started because I dared to debate in favor of Sith Emperor and Revan.
What is funny is that your theory about ground realities of Traya versus Meetra got easily debunked here. So I don't get the macho-attitude.
Originally posted by Selenial
I'm pretty much the same.It's no secret that I hate LeGenD with every fibre of my body, but if I like you then I'm fine.
I however don't like these forums >.> Can't even figure out how to set an avatar.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What was here theory?
Surik has severed people from the force on purpose, she severed Darth Traya from the force. We know this because Jedi master Zez Kai-Ell said that the only way to break a force bond was to turn away or be cut from the force, it is why the Jedi attempted to sever Surik from the force. Now, Surik is described as severing the Force bond and the Hand of Traya at the same time, which means she had to have severed Surik from the force (given that her own force energies remained)
Which explains why she could barely levitate three lightsabers, she only had the powers of Malachor to draw on, not her own.
Neph and I debunked this right in this thread.
OP (Selenial) also believes that Meetra is more powerful then Revan. In-fact, more powerful then HoT as well.
Seriously, she shouldn't be the one to lecture me about ground realities of the lore.
Heck, I might have listened to her points with greater interest in my TOR era characters ranking thread in official SWTOR forum but she leaves me little choice with her attitude.
Replying to these feats because why not? You don't have to reply, I just like making my opinion clear here.
Originally posted by Selenial
As for Jaina, she's actually surprisingly powerfulShe's got good control of her abilities, being able to use Telekinesis to actually affect air molecules, making them move so rapidly they produce light (Or something like that, terrible explanation if you actually know the science behind light)
She could penetrate Kyp's mental barriers and erase or create memories.
She repaired a fragmented mind by joining minds with it
She was basically the Windu of the era, outdueling Caedus like no tomorrow.
Kills 3 sith on Dromund Kaas of all places, without sustaining any damage to herself, and a load of other minor sith on Coruscant too.
It's really lots of smaller stuff, like her battle meld, ability to shut herself off from the force to some, but leave herself open to others. Or other things like the beast control and breath control that she learnt instinctively, shatterpoint close to the levels of Windu etc...
Yeh, it all adds up.
Wasn't that as children? At any rate, that's nothing toooooo special, since The Jedi Path reveals that a common Jedi training technique was to "fill an empty bottle with oxygen molecules plucked one by one from the air".
Haha, one more blow against Kyp "better than Luke" Durron. At any rate these are some sweet telepathy feats, but not really 4th best Jedi feats I M H O.
Didn't Caedus only have one-arm when she fought him and was distracted and she was empowered by Luke? It seemed to me there was a ton of circumstances working in her favor in that fight and he still beat the shit out of her.
Killing Sith on Kaas ain't that impressive, the Hero of Tython fought through an entire city of Sith and Imperial military and fought through the Dark Temple filled with again with Sith and Imperial Guards, on Kaas as well. Meetra fought through an academy of Sith on Malachor which was way more powerful than standard Dromund Kaas is IMO. Revan fought through legions of Sith on the Star Forge (with help). Erm, Jaden Korr also fought a bunch of Sith on Korriban. Theres probably other stuff I'm forgetting too, bluh.
I dunno, she seems to be generally pretty powerful, very versatile in her abilities and high-Jedi Council level in general but I'm still not tooooooo impressed. I think Revan and others could take her. Definitely Nomi if you take those quotes as accurate because Holy Shit at those quotes (which are probably fake sorry). The Hero and Barsen'thor would also fo sho beat her. Again, in my opinion.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Also, read this:This member gets it.
This is all a matter of perspective and interpretation of available information. I am not the author of [B]Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
and their really is no consensus on the subject about most powerful characters in the mythos even at official capacity.Heck, check out some latest revelations from Disney Administration: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t597947.html
Notice some revisions or lack of consensus?
Also, I am not sure if you speak for everybody in a forum. Of-course you and few others are more vocal and simply gang-up on members who dare to argue against consensus reached by you and your friends in various topics.
And what about your extreme views?
Meetra > Revan
Caedus > Sith EmperorI am sure I can find more gems if I would engage in a search. I call easily label you a raging fangirl of Meetra at-least.
So let us be realistic, we all have tendency to get carried away in matters of Star Wars.
You do not like my arguments because you know they carry substance and are mostly supported. This scares you and some others. Hard to argue against facts, right?
In-fact, your problems with me started because I dared to debate in favor of Sith Emperor and Revan.
What is funny is that your theory about ground realities of Traya versus Meetra got easily debunked here. So I don't get the macho-attitude. [/B]
You're not just a fan of one area though, you don't know anything about the other Eras. It's hard to be a fan of something you've never read.
Secondly, congratulations, you can read. I said about 4 pages back that I had a raging fangirl hard on for Meetra and Traya, but I don't try and entirely overblow them like you.
My theories on Traya and Meetra didn't get debunked. I'm not sure, but I'm pretty close to 100% sure Neph isn't Leland Che, so the fact that he is skeptical of my theories means literally nothing. Like, 0. Not 0.000001. But 0.
And your arguments DON'T carry substance, that's the ENTIRE POINT. You post quotes, and that's it.
You've obviously never actually debated someone, because you seriously have no idea how to put forward an acceptable argument.
LeGenD, you're an embarrassment. Here, and on the SW:TOR forums both, deal with it.
And no, not because you dared to debate in favor of Revan or the Emperor, because you dared to debate on something you know nothing about.
How on gods green earth can you try and put Vitiate, above Caedus, if you've NEVER READ any material in which Caedus is ACTUALLY IN.
You are perhaps the most ignorant person I've ever met on these fine interwebz, and I really hope you suddenly disappear from these forums before you manage to reply to this, but somehow, I doubt that's going to happen.
What a shame.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This:Surik has severed people from the force on purpose, she severed Darth Traya from the force. We know this because Jedi master Zez Kai-Ell said that the only way to break a force bond was to turn away or be cut from the force, it is why the Jedi attempted to sever Surik from the force. Now, Surik is described as severing the Force bond and the Hand of Traya at the same time, which means she had to have severed Surik from the force (given that her own force energies remained)
Which explains why she could barely levitate three lightsabers, she only had the powers of Malachor to draw on, not her own.
Neph and I debunked this right in this thread.
OP (Selenial) also believes that Meetra is more powerful then Revan. In-fact, more powerful then HoT as well.
Seriously, she shouldn't be the one to lecture me about ground realities of the lore.
Heck, I might have listened to her points with greater interest in my TOR era characters ranking thread in official SWTOR forum but she leaves me little choice with her attitude.
Wait wait wait..... You debunked it? Neph said he dissagreed, but it's a theory, you can't disprove a theory without someone who works for a Canon source directly saying "No"
How could you possibly debunk the theory, you haven't even played Kotor 2?