Originally posted by Sinious
It surely isn't force storm and not as impressive but I still wouldn't call it battle meditation.
Eh, Sunriders battle meditation was powerful enough to make people tremble in their boots basically, 6 people doing it (But only concentrating on the enemy) could likely produce those results.
But again we don't know, which is why the TOR forums often don't include TOR characters that don't appear in many other sources on their lists.
Originally posted by Selenial
Eh, Sunriders battle meditation was powerful enough to make people tremble in their boots basically, 6 people doing it (But only concentrating on the enemy) could likely produce those results.But again we don't know, which is why the TOR forums often don't include TOR characters that don't appear in many other sources on their lists.
Im not undermining BM. I just think it was a different technique they used there. It was pure dark side-terror based battle sorcery.
Also about Dread Masters being only strong as a group; it is not true. IIRC, Bestia just by herself destroyed a republic fleet. Also the strike teams that came to kill them faced each DM alone. It doesn't require them to act as a pact. Each one of them could become the dark lord of another era. Same could be said for many Dark Council members too. See these are the details that help us understand Vitiate's power. Most part of his life being unknown to us doesn't make him any less weaker.
Originally posted by Sinious
Im not undermining BM. I just think it was a different technique they used there. It was pure dark side-terror based battle sorcery.Also about Dread Masters being only strong as a group; it is not true. IIRC, Bestia just by herself destroyed a republic fleet. Also the strike teams that came to kill them faced each DM alone. It doesn't require them to act as a pact. Each one of them could become the dark lord of another era. Same could be said for many Dark Council members too. See these are the details that help us understand Vitiate's power. Most part of his life being unknown to us doesn't make him any less weaker.
Yeh, I wasn't meaning it was literally BM, I was saying that it'd basically require that level of Power.
Originally posted by Sinious
Im not undermining BM. I just think it was a different technique they used there. It was pure dark side-terror based battle sorcery.Also about Dread Masters being only strong as a group; it is not true. IIRC, Bestia just by herself destroyed a republic fleet. Also the strike teams that came to kill them faced each DM alone. It doesn't require them to act as a pact. Each one of them could become the dark lord of another era. Same could be said for many Dark Council members too. See these are the details that help us understand Vitiate's power. Most part of his life being unknown to us doesn't make him any less weaker.
Yes, their are multiple ways to determine power of Emperor Vitiate.
Some people just don't get this. Using spectrums such as CONTROL, SENSE and ALTER to understand Emperor's power is useless exercise since he isn't featured in many sourcebooks and doesn't have like hundreds of feats.
His power can only be properly assessed through holistic examination of all the ground realities of the lore.
Originally posted by Selenial
Indeed, there was a reason IIRC, something about their motivations being in line, but I can't remember for the life of me.However we do have to remember that the Dread Masters on oricon brought down a fleet with Terror, but that's basically 6 people using battle meditation. They didn't force storm it.
And the people they corrupted, they mainly corrupted with machines, which you see in the Oricon quest chain.
Gnost-Dural's report indicates that their army was dominated by the Masters own mental power and kept in line with "constant psychological manipulations" though.
Originally posted by Selenial
But again we don't know, which is why the TOR forums often don't include TOR characters that don't appear in many other sources on their lists.
Can't say I see the logic in that. Even without many sources, the Swtor protagonists have the raw feats to stand among the giants of the mythos.
The Hero of Tython defeating Scourge and Vitiate and resisting the direct influence of Sel Makor, the Second Wrath defeating some of the top duelists of the age as well as the Voice, several Dark Council members and Baras, Nox wielding the combined power of 5 force spirits and godstomping Thanaton and the Barsen'thor ripping through massive blast doors, defeating Vivicar while he's channeling power from hundreds of Jedi Masters and defeating the First Son, all of these show immense power and skill. They easily rival many of the characters on your "most powerful" list on these feats alone.
I'm reading through the Swtor thread. Ant, you really need to chill out. Your hostility is making us look bad. It doesn't matter if they dissed your respect thread, going to their forum and attacking them is lame.
I just hope that their members reading this understand that we're all really nice people who are kickass debater's thank you very much. 😛
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm reading through the Swtor thread. Ant, you really need to chill out. Your hostility is making us look bad. It doesn't matter if they dissed your respect thread, going to their forum and attacking them is lame.I just hope that their members reading this understand that we're all really nice people who are kickass debater's thank you very much. 😛
I'm actually pleasantly surprised with most of you, LeGenD and Ant need a kick in the bollocks to kill their raging hard ons for attention, but other than that, some of you are actually alright.
Oh and Ant, weren't the Star Wars forums shut down for being one of the most toxic communities on the internet? Or am I thinking of something else...
Lame. I was kidding lol. I left though. You happy now?
Also selenial, I'm referring to http://www.starwarsforums.org/
Don't join though. They are weird to girls. 🙁
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thanks. I still find some of the beliefs over there baffling, but you guys are cool too.
LadyKulvax is very well behaved but I cannot say the same about Selenial. I do think that DarthAnt66 responded to her in harsh manner and now I am left to do damage control. However, DarthAnt66 have a point too, ignoring his misbehavior.
In-fact, when I started posting in the official SWTOR forums, Selenial was the first member to act sarcastic and misbehave. She is not so nice.
If you don't mind me asking, Selenial, why the ranking for Jaina so high? I've never seen anything too impressive from her, though I admit to only having a passable knowledge of that era.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
All of them are not so cool. Argue against some and see the reactions.LadyKulvax is very well behaved but I cannot say the same about Selenial. I do think that DarthAnt66 responded to her in harsh manner and now I am left to do damage control. However, DarthAnt66 have a point too, ignoring his misbehavior.
In-fact, when I started posting in the official SWTOR forums, Selenial was the first member to act sarcastic and misbehave. She is not so nice.
Admittedly it's hard not to be sarcastic in response to you sometimes, bro. 😉
Originally posted by Nephthys
If you don't mind me asking, Selenial, why the ranking for Jaina so high? I've never seen anything too impressive from her, though I admit to only having a passable knowledge of that era.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
All of them are not so cool. Argue against some and see the reactions.LadyKulvax is very well behaved but I cannot say the same about Selenial. I do think that DarthAnt66 responded to her in harsh manner and now I am left to do damage control. However, DarthAnt66 have a point too, ignoring his misbehavior.
In-fact, when I started posting in the official SWTOR forums, Selenial was the first member to act sarcastic and misbehave. She is not so nice.
Ok, no, I was just the most open about it.
Everyone else was a lot more subtle.
My reasoning? You're a raging fanboy, you know nothing of other Eras so you have no one to compare your little theories with. You'll take quotes out of context and repeat them time after time expecting people to take them seriously. Quote dumping means nothing if you can't compare.
You tried to pass the Sith Emperor off as the most powerful sith ever to exist in the SW universe from one IN UNIVERSE quote that said he was the most powerful to date, and didn't stop spamming that quote for about 2 months.
No one there takes you seriously, I'm just one of the few people who's open about it.
Your arguments mean nothing to me, because, to quote Traya, "You fail to listen, to understand"
It's a shame, wasted potential really.