Loki vs Superman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's good. And I was expecting those scans.

Five years later (or however long it was after JL1&2): does Supes calm down?

He has more showings than that, those were handy and that is why I posted them.

This DCNU Superman uses his speed more than NE Superman.

But there is more than those two, my friend.

I could look for them, but honestly I don't feel like dabating I have become quite lazy at it now a days, maybe is just a phase.

That is why I barely post, I actually been more concentrated in reading more, anyhow, yes there are more than those two from five years ago 🙂

Originally posted by Surtur
No, you are totally right, I see the error of my ways now. Whenever a character with super speed goes up against a Marvel character..it's best if people just shut up and give the Marvel character the win. This is taken up to 11 when Superman is involved.

With that in mind, yeah, Loki wins this..godlike reflexes,etc. Shadowcat totally stomps Superman too because..umm..logic and stuff.

And your post is just as applicable to Loki as it is to Superman. Which I find it funny how you are defending Superman mirroring the same logic I've been repeating for a couple pages.
Here, let me tweak your post to show you exactly how ironic your post is:

Originally posted by Surtur
How can we put the debate to rest when you already use faulty logic? Loki doesn't use speed due to PIS. Loki doesn't have many fights, so you won't find many examples of the specific thing you are looking for. The point is he has shown super speed and has no reason not to use it. This, "we need a scan of every specific thing he can possibly do in a fight" is weird. *Different character with superspeed* sure as hell was known to use it, but this is Loki.

And that's under the assumption that your "consistency" angle is correct. Which means your logic goes against the entire reason you don't believe Loki has superspeed.

Though here's an interesting scenario to consider considering your "Marvel vs DC angle" you suddenly adopted. Imagine one person says Superman can blitz Loki and defeat him in the blink of an eye. Now another poster states that Loki can react using quite a few examples, and is not going against the notion that Superman can or will blitz, nor against Superman winning for that matter. Now, the first poster says that Loki's superspeed doesn't count because it's not consistent enough no matter how many examples are brought forth. All without using any of Superman's examples of speed.
So basically the first poster is outright ignoring evidence, while spouting off that everyone else is bias.

Who appears to be bias in this scenario?

I could see stating that Loki's speed doesn't measure up, but that is not what you're doing. You're outright ignoring every speed feat from Loki to fit into your preconceived notion of what he should be like. Apparently Loki blatantly loses all his reflexes because you think he hasn't shown it enough when it's more easily explained that he hasn't needed it enough to show it (though again, he has shown it).

Originally posted by Surtur
Ah, so it is a Marvel fanboy thing. Okay, that makes a lot of sense because DC tends to have more people with high end super speed. People tend to whine about the dreaded "DC Speedblitz", as if lowballing the characters makes it better.

Though Marvel has more cosmics and also a whole shitload of telepaths so it evens out, but you certainly wouldn't see me throwing a b*tch fit if a Marvel telepath beat a DC telepath.

Originally posted by Surtur
I only insulted those who insulted me.

To quote another poster: irony overload. Seriously, who the hell are you? Just some douchebag who popped in talking shit, calling me "son", which is all kinds of hilarious in and of itself, and then you try to say I'm insulting people. How is that fantasy world you live in? Is it fun? Are there butterscotch rivers and houses made of gingerbread?

Yes, definite Irony Overload here.

Strange you replied? Must of forgot to switch accounts

Okay, I think I understand your point, and even agree - if Supes knows Loki is behind the attacks on civilians, and suspects that by taking Loki out the attacks will stop, then obviously he would be a fool not to.

Going back to the original scenario, my problem understanding the encounter is there are no details given for the fight. So, there are a few ways the encounter can take place:

One, kind of like a duel: Both are angry at each other, charge and clash, and Supes win because he is stronger and faster.

Two, Loki is messing with Supes for some reason, which means he knows about Supes' speed and strength, HV and ice breath, as well as his vulnerabilities to magic and Krypton - and in this case it will by no means be a walkover. In fact, I see Loki getting away with his tricks for quite a while - he can go intangible, invisible, open portals to bring monsters to help him, find magic weapons and armor to protect himself and hurt Supes - hell, he can probably even find Kryptonite somewhere, by making buddies with Lex or traveling through space and time to find it. In this version, I think Supes is gonna neef help, from the JLA or from Thor. Even Thor needed help dealing with Loki, once Loki actually set his plans in motion.

Third way, Loki is attacking Earth or trying to take it over or something, but doesn't know about Supes or Thor brings him through to Marvel Earth to help him against Loki. This seems the most plausible, and the most likely.

In this case, I see a pretty decent fight developing. Unless Supes gets lucky and catches Loki unawares, I don't see him taking Loki out that quickly. Loki likes his illusions, both in comics and the movies. He usually has a trick or three up his sleeve. However, in this instance I don't see him able to keep Supes down for very long, as he won't know about Kryptonite. He would be able to hurt Supes, sure, using magic attacks, but in the end Supes is a character designed to take whatever is dealt out to him. He'll survive, endure, and once Loki runs out of tricks, he'll take him down.

Still, it should be a decent fight...

Originally posted by Insane Titan
yup sure does.

Lol at Abhi defending his sock account

he even does that bold thing...

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Still don't see, even if Supes does use his super speed, how he's going to tell the real Loki from the illusion. Or how he's going to be attacking Loki while Loki sends monsters to attack innocents. Loki is thousands of years old, the God of Mischief, while Supes is still vulnerable to magic - in fact, Thor would probably do much better against Loki than Supes would. At least he knows what to expect. Nothing about Supes' character indicates that he would charge in with fists swinging - that's totally against his M.O. Loki, on the other hand, has loads of experience dealing with strong boyscouts flying around really fast.

👆

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

Source JLA #1 AND 2 😄 😛

This is the first time they meet

he was already attacked by Hal though?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's mostly Titan and Bran, the rest of the guys are pretty cool.
See? Titan randomly insults everybody. Its like he can't sleep if he doesn't insults someone on internet.

Titan has a right to be pissed at you...

actually no, he wasn't attacked by hal at that point yet.

Originally posted by emporerpants
actually no, he wasn't attacked by hal at that point yet.

Hal had him in a bubble

Originally posted by Insane Titan
that post you replied to was for Abhi.

Strange you replied? Must of forgot to switch accounts

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Hal had him in a bubble

Nope!

That was after

Originally posted by Insane Titan
that post you replied to was for Abhi.

Strange you replied? Must of forgot to switch accounts

😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because intangibility isn't like strength. You can't be more intangible than a fully phased being.

Like you do in every thread?

Ghost soldier was easily slugging it out with Superman. And a HV blast which burned Doomsday to crisp would **** Loki's shit up. Thor has beaten an amped Loki (although the amp was fading) in 58 seconds FFS.

So he would run away now? Good for him I guess. So? It was stated that everything has particles and he was a ghost. You don't get more intangible than that.

On a good day, Superman might knock him out before Loki can even think what's going on.

Oh my god. 😐

It was established in that very issue that power can affect their level of intangibility:

Not to mention there is a difference between someone vibrating their molecules or something, and Loki turning ethereal.

Slugging it out implies they were equals in strength or something. He used speed/flight and intangibility to f*ck up Superman. Literally with the most basic of Loki's tricks, he was giving Clark hell.

Durability feats for that Doomsday superior to Loki?

Not before Loki's god like reflexes kick in. 🙂

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Nope!

That was after

Supes

This battle is tricky.
Both have basic knowledge of each other.
Supes knows that Loki is a high level magic user and uses misdirection (superman knows mythology and that Loki is the God is mischief).

Loki knows Superman is strong and fast.

So the question would be how would this fight start.
Well Superman knowing his vulnerability to magic will decide to use his speed and hv.

Loki knowing that Supes is fast and very strong will probably try to go intangible (his best bet).
If Loki succeeds then he has the edge if or when Superman slows down.
If Loki gets popped before he goes intangible the Superman has the edge.
The question is: how fast can Loki become intangible? The speed of willing oneself isn't the speed of becoming. The whole process could take 1-3 sec for all we know.

I'm undecided on this fight as of yet. IMO I think Supes pops Loki before he does an action in 6/10 fights.

Now it is funny how some posters change their style. In some threads they argue how characters usually fight in a comic (ignoring PIS). But when it's against a character they are against they argue speed, reflexes, etc when the character has shown it less than a handful of times in over 50 years of comics.

Also having Godlike reflexes (whatever that means) or even superhuman reflexes doesn't mean one can react to a high level Superman movement.

😂

Originally posted by Insane Titan
yup sure does.

Lol at Abhi defending his sock account

Originally posted by Insane Titan
that post you replied to was for Abhi.

Strange you replied? Must of forgot to switch accounts

Don't accuse people of socking, thanks.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh my god. 😐

Not before Loki's god like reflexes kick in. 🙂

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And yes, if you take his speed feats at face value, Thor would not be able to land a punch on Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your first time with a lady I presume?

"Stronger", not more intangible. That's some shitty reading comprehension on your part.

So Loki is more ethereal than ****ing ghosts?

It doesn't. Untill Superman actually beat him. Not the other way around. And Loki doesn't fights like that.

Hahaha, seriously? Doomsday just beat the shit out of Mongul and Non together and broke Phantom Zone itself.

Just like Thor, right? If Superman is trying to blitz Loki, there is nothing Loki can do. Your own words, not mine.

😂

Superman tried freezing these new Ghosts like he did Ghost Soldier. It did not work and he specified they were stronger than before.

Why do you think that implies?

If Superman cannot affect more powerful Ghosts, what he can do to Loki's far more powerful magic?

You're wrongly assuming that because he fights Thor in close combat so often, that means he'll fight Superman. He won't try and trade blows with him.

Yes, I am serious. You want to assume that Superman's heat vision will melt Loki or something because it incinerated Superman.

Let me have some durability feats for Doomsday please.

Correction, that was me IIRC referring to an all-out Superman, Post Crisis Superman as a matter of fact, in direct combat. Loki doesn't have to throw a punch faster to use his god like reflexes for defense.