Can these 5 Characters beat Galactus

Started by Galan0075 pages

Zop, how do your trollish red herrings change anything I've said?

Just because anyone of Odin's blood can theoretically create a Celestial-slaying weapon(assuming they have access to the specific spell in which to do so, of course), doesn't mean more than one Celestial-slaying weapon exists--or will ever exist. As of now, there is just a single dues ex machina--and Jarnbjorn is to a Celestial what Kryptonite is to Superman. Thus a Celestial being killed by it is akin to Superman being killed by a Kryptonite bullet to the head. It's certainly not 'a shyt durability showing', like you're buffoonishly treating it as. Simple.

Also, calm down. No need for tantrums. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
When has Galactus amped himself moreso? I remember him attempting to absorb Taa II in Secret Wars, but Doom stopped him from doing that.

Are there other instances I missed?

Tyrant, Tenebrous and Aegis springs to mind. And possibly I can't quite recall before venturing out to save Eternity from Magus.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Tyrant, Tenebrous and Aegis springs to mind.
When did he amp against those guys?

Originally posted by Galan007
When did he amp against those guys?

Before he engaged Depowered Tyrant he prepared by feeding on a planet, he was preparing (if you read the back on Annihilation) against Tenebrous and Aegis. Two incidents where he has (or intended to) prepared by amping himself above his current state.

Oh see, what I'm saying is that the 4 planet amp against the Mad Celestials was his greatest confirmed on panel amp to date.

Originally posted by Galan007
Zop, how do your trollish red herrings change anything I've said?

Just because anyone of Odin's blood can theoretically create a Celestial-slaying weapon(assuming they have access to the specific spell in which to do so, of course), doesn't mean more than one Celestial-slaying weapon exists--or will ever exist. As of now, there is just a single dues ex machina--and Jarnbjorn is to a Celestial what Kryptonite is to Superman. Thus a Celestial being killed by it is akin to Superman being killed by a Kryptonite bullet to the head. It's certainly not 'a shyt durability showing', like you're buffoonishly treating it as. Simple.


You're still not understanding me. Odin created an enchantment, not a weapon, that can be used to create an item that can kill a Celestial. All you need to do is be related to Odin by blood and you can cast the spell. Furthermore, ANYONE can use the item once it's been created.

You don't even need to be high herald level to wreck a Celestial with it, seeing as how the Apoc Twins committed Celestial genocide with it and not one of the Celestials they came across could defend against the attack.

At least Superman doesn't collapse into a helpless cripple just because someone has a kryptonite weapon. I could have sworn there times when kryptonite was used against him and it wasn't an auto-win like Odin's enchantment vs the Celestials.

Also, calm down. No need for tantrums. 👆

I am calm. You're the one getting upset just because someone is disagreeing with you.

This thread though......

Now all we need is Odin stomping a Celetial or two in combat and I'll be satisfied.

Although I'd be more interested in Zopzops reaction. 😛

Originally posted by Magnon
Well then, seems like Odin is psychologically incapable of using that weapon against the Celestials. After all, the Celestials did threaten to destroy the Earth, imprison the Gods in their realms and ban their access to the Earth's dimension, all while they humiliated the council of skyfathers who tried to fight back in vain. And not just once but multiple times. Odin and the other skyfathers spent decades, centuries preparing for the next arrival of the Celestials, but still couldn't beat them. They didn't use the PIS axe even though the alternative could very well have been the destruction of the Earth and the associated god-realms. Odin has proven, beyond doubt, incapable of using that weapon under any circumstance, even if it means utter defeat for him.

Sounds ridiculous? Yeah, that's what that PIS axe indeed was. But in any case it won't help the team in this fight.

The axe was a deus ex plot device clearly (Or more accurately, the enchantment Odin supposedly created) but calling it PIS when you happily reference an arc that was even more damaging and full of shit is ironic.

If the Celestials power level and very history was retconned to establish a d*ck wanking arc of Odin's superiority, then you'd have some grounds.

Originally posted by Galan007
Oh see, what I'm saying is that the 4 planet amp against the Mad Celestials was his greatest confirmed on panel amp to date.

Absolutely, I was merely adding that it's not out of character for Galactus to prepare for a confrontation.

Originally posted by zopzop
You're still not understanding me. Odin created an enchantment, not a weapon, that can be used to create an item that can kill a Celestial. All you need to do is be related to Odin by blood and you can cast the spell. Furthermore, ANYONE can use the item once it's been created.
This, again, doesn't change the fact that there is currently only one such weapon, with one such spell invoked on it. All these 'what ifs' and 'maybes' you're throwing around are utterly stupid red herrings that have more holes in them than swiss cheese. 🙂

Is it even possible for you to not troll these days? Not looking like it, IMO.

Originally posted by zopzop
You don't even need to be high herald level to wreck a Celestial with it
Just like you don't need to be a high herald to kill Superman with Kryptonite, amiright? 🙂

The spell placed on Jarnbjorn is what killed the Celestials, not the character using Jarnbjorn #HerpDerp. Exactly how deep do you plan on digging here? So far you've done nothing to help your case at all--frankly, I don't even think you know what you're arguing at this point. 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop
At least Superman doesn't collapse into a helpless cripple just because someone has a kryptonite weapon. I could have sworn there times when kryptonite was used against him and it wasn't an auto-win like Odin's enchantment vs the Celestials.
Lulz @ your failure to understand a simplistic analogy. I'm not surprised, though--it's evidently very difficult for you to grasp simple concepts. You've more than proven that here. 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop
I am calm. You're the one getting upset just because someone is disagreeing with you.
Lol, stop projecting. You are clearly getting riled up. Calm down. 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop

You're still not understanding me. Odin created an enchantment, not a weapon, that can be used to create an item that can kill a Celestial. All you need to do is be related to Odin by blood and you can cast the spell. Furthermore, ANYONE can use the item once it's been created.

You don't even need to be high herald level to wreck a Celestial with it, seeing as how the Apoc Twins committed Celestial genocide with it and not one of the Celestials they came across could defend against the attack.

At least Superman doesn't collapse into a helpless cripple just because someone has a kryptonite weapon. I could have sworn there times when kryptonite was used against him and it wasn't an auto-win like Odin's enchantment vs the Celestials.

I am calm. You're the one getting upset just because someone is disagreeing with you. [/B]

SMDH

Originally posted by Galan007
This, again, doesn't change the fact that there is currently only one such weapon, with one such spell invoked on it. All these 'what ifs' and 'maybes' you're throwing around are utterly stupid red herrings that have more holes in them than swiss cheese. 🙂

The point is, according to ON PANEL evidence, if ANY of Odin's blood relatives wanted to go on a quest to annihilate Celestials they can. All they need to do is invoke the enchantment on their item of choice and the Celestials are phucked.

Just like you don't need to be a high herald to kill Superman with Kryptonite, amiright? 🙂

The spell placed on Jarnbjorn is what killed the Celestials, not the character using Jarnbjorn #HerpDerp. Exactly how deep do you plan on digging here? So far you've done nothing to help your case at all--frankly, I don't even think you know what you're arguing at this point. 🙂


The point is, Superman doesn't instantly go into cripple mode when presented with kryptonite. The Celestials couldn't do ANYTHING to a two bit character wielding a weapon with that enchantment on it. The Apoc Twins took out dozens (hundreds?) of Celestials with ONE weapon. For all their supposed uberness and powers, they went down like cheap whores.

Lol, stop projecting. You are clearly getting riled up. Calm down. 🙂

Is it even possible for you to not troll these days? Not looking like it, IMO.

You were saying? I'm not the one going around calling someone a troll for disagreeing with me.

Originally posted by Galan007
This, again, doesn't change the fact that there is currently only one such weapon, with one such spell invoked on it. All these 'what ifs' and 'maybes' you're throwing around are utterly stupid red herrings that have more holes in them than swiss cheese. 🙂

Is it even possible for you to not troll these days? Not looking like it, IMO.

Just like you don't need to be a high herald to kill Superman with Kryptonite, amiright? 🙂

The spell placed on Jarnbjorn is what killed the Celestials, not the character using Jarnbjorn #HerpDerp. Exactly how deep do you plan on digging here? So far you've done nothing to help your case at all--frankly, I don't even think you know what you're arguing at this point. 🙂

Lulz @ your failure to understand a simplistic analogy. I'm not surprised, though--it's evidently very difficult for you to grasp simple concepts. You've more than proven that here. 🙂

Lol, stop projecting. You are clearly getting riled up. Calm down. 🙂

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Originally posted by zopzop
The point is, according to ON PANEL evidence, if ANY of Odin's blood relatives wanted to go on a quest to annihilate Celestials they can. All they need to do is invoke the enchantment on their item of choice and the Celestials are phucked.
That isn't a point at all, that is a red herring(we just went over this.)

Again: This doesn't change the fact that there is currently only one such weapon, with one such spell invoked on it. All these 'what ifs' and 'maybes' you're throwing around are utterly stupid/pointless red herrings that have more holes in them than swiss cheese. 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop
The Apoc Twins took out dozens (hundreds?) of Celestials with ONE weapon.
Evidently the term 'plot-device' is entirely lost on you, eh? This certainly isn't the first, nor will it be the last. Wipe the tears from your brow, and get over it. 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop
You were saying? I'm not the one going around calling someone a troll for disagreeing with me.
You've been trolling this entire time by preforming red herring after red herring and blatantly overlooking/ignoring the context behind said plot-device. So yeah, if the shoe fits... 👆

Originally posted by zopzop
Hickman's Failbrand killing one.

It did no such thing. Starbrand attacked the Mad Celestials, and in the very next panel got nearly killed for his troubles. I counted a total of 6 Celestials that were shown attacking the Council HQ in Fantastic Four 572, and according to one of the Reeds, 5 of them managed to survive and escape to other universes. Of which 4 remained to later on wipe out the rest of the Reeds and partake in the battle with Galactus.

Which means that the only confirmed Celestial kill in that issue was thanks to Reed's entropy gun.

Originally posted by bullshit

Context.

I'm noticing has become subjective round these parts.
Originally posted by zopzop

I'm not the one going around calling someone a troll for disagreeing with me.


If you devalue/demean the poster coupled with your disagreeing reasons of the post,
it strengthens the weak/or useless points being used to correct you.

I do not support that style of debating. But I will bite back, hard!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If the Celestials power level and very history was retconned to establish a d*ck wanking arc of Odin's superiority, then you'd have some grounds.

Odin's history nor power-level were retconned to dickwank the Celestials, so not sure why you're going into a needless PMS here.

Originally posted by Galan007
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Odin made it clear that he would not use the 'Celestial-slaying' enchantment under any circumstances, as the long-term cons of killing a Celestial far outweighed the pros:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18999303/Uncanny_Avengers_006-008.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18999309/Uncanny_Avengers_006-009.jpg.html

But a brash/stupid/young Thor didn't think twice about activating said spell in order to take his revenge on Apoc--which pissed off Odin tremendously:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18999310/Uncanny_Avengers_006-019.jpg.html

That doesn't forbid me from correcting a stupid statement when I see one. 👆


To be slightly more precise, that enchantment was exclusively reserved for Exitar in case he should ever pay the Earth a visit. Lokang even reads it on the parchment which describes the spell; "only to be used when the Celestial Executioner arrives".

Celestials Executioner, as shown in recent Uncanny issues, is Remender's nomenclature referring to Exitar.

Methinks that is the reason why Odin never thought to use it against the Fourth Host. Since Exitar by his lonesome is more powerful and dangerous than the 4th Host, the Jarnbjorn spell is a last resort trump card only meant to be used against him.

Though, considering that Thor didn't even attempt to repeat the enchantment(if he could do it once as a dumb kid, he can certainly do it again as a mature adult) on another object(like a modern day laser gun, or Mjolnir itself), seems to tell me that this enchantment might possibly be limited to a one-time use only.

Originally posted by Epicurus
How is that supposed to disprove the point that against the Mad Celestials he was brought down? As compared to the Galactus Engine and Scrier/Other, whom he managed to hold off on his own lonesome.

The MCs were just that darn powerful. The shit they pulled off against the Council of Reeds, I doubt we've ever seen the mainstream Celestials pull off such combat feats. Taking one down and then getting one-shotted by the combined remaining 3 isn't a bad feat. Especially when those 3 were giving an adult version of Franklin Richards hefty trouble. The same Franklin Richards who was able to plow through a multiverse-rewriting wave.

And I am pretty sure Bran would more or less agree with me here.

Originally posted by Galan007
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Furthermore, that is the only time I recall Galactus amping himself before a battle. A 4-planet-amp is huge.

That's exactly what I was saying. They were pretty powerful, and I wouldn't blame Galactus for the amp, I would. And he wasn't just taken down the the leftover 3 after Big G took down one, all 4 of them fused together to take him down. I was just slaying that Galactus posed such a threat to them that they felt the need to up their game by several factors. So, it doesn't make the standard Galactus so low as you think

As for the topic, Galactus wins

Re: Can these 5 Characters beat Galactus

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
1. Odin
2. Surtur
3. Thanos
4. SBP
5. Mordru

They know Galactus is coming only 30 minutes before he gets here so very minimal prep time... Who wins?

Depends on how badly Big G wants to win...

If he's hellbent on winning, Big G 10/10 (Ultimate Nullifier), otherwise team wins 9/10...