Sentinel (DoFP) vs. Superman (MoS)

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said so. Both were killed by the Sentinels by the way.

Yes, due to the fact they are facing mutants. Why wouldn't they use the word mutants in a film about mutants ?

You made the claim its only mutant abilities so the onus is on you.

Due to the fact he is killed prior to due to the Sentinel's abilities.

You stated that the Xmen experience fighting Sentinels is what let them damage one in the first place: which wouldn't make that much sense, since as you stated, they die each time they encounter the Sentinels.

Trask built the machines tailored to mutant genes, that was confirmed in the movie by Xavier, Magneto, and Trask himself in the scene where he's explaining his mutant tracking device. It didn't say human or abnormal genes, it stated mutant and the machines nor the Sentinels w/o tampering have been shown to target anything but mutants.

And you made the claim that Sentinels adapt to genetic anomalies. This claim is much broader than mutants and unlike me, you've yet to provide an example of this.

Doesn't change the fact that they were able to damage the Sentinels along with the fact that the Sentinel's themselves were capable of being damaged and even destroyed by things that weren't specifically mutant powers: things like explosions, metal scraps, energy blasts, physical forces, and even their own lasers.

Originally posted by Robtard
'The Sentinels can adapt to anything unless you prove they can't!'

No Limit Fallacy coupled with a Burden of Proof shift.

Never change, Quanchi112.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said they can adapt to anything. I said they can use their abilities against Superman. If you feel their abilities don't work then prove it, Roberta.

Precisely which abilities that they possess would take down Superman?

Originally posted by Robtard
Precisely which abilities that they possess would take down Superman?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Freezing powers and heat powers.

A Sentinel have never used a mutant ability off the bat. It adapts to the ability that is currently attacking it. It wouldn't use Ice unless attacked with heat and exactly what would either of those abilities do to Superman?

Superman should win. Those Sentinels never went up against anything like him. Heat won't work. Cold won't work, and their strength wasn't shown to be Kryptonian level.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman should win. Those Sentinels never went up against anything like him. Heat won't work. Cold won't work, and their strength wasn't shown to be Kryptonian level.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
A Sentinel have never used a mutant ability off the bat. It adapts to the ability that is currently attacking it. It wouldn't use Ice unless attacked with heat and exactly what would either of those abilities do to Superman?

I see him succumbing to this. He isn't immune at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Freezing powers and heat powers.

How is fire and ice going to hurt Superman who is invulnerable and seemingly is unaffected by the heat of re-entry, massive oil fire and the cold of outer space?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why won't heat or cold work ? When did he show an immunity to such extremes ?

Entering and leaving the atmosphere.

or what Rob said. Which is basically the same thing.

Originally posted by Robtard
How is fire and ice going to hurt Superman who is invulnerable and seemingly is unaffected by the heat of re-entry, massive oil fire and the cold of outer space?

I guess all fire is the same level.

If he can tank a lighter than a forest fire won't do anything. All the same to Robbie.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Entering and leaving the atmosphere.

or what Rob said. Which is basically the same thing.

Surviving it for a few moments and being put to the level for a longer duration makes a difference.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You believe that is greater than the fire powers or ice powers of the mutants ?

Surviving it for a few moments and being put to the level for a longer duration makes a difference.

I believe it is, yes.

True, but I don't think the mutant powers shown are powerful enough to bother him.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I believe it is, yes.

True, but I don't think the mutant powers shown are powerful enough to bother him.

Duration matters and nothing in reality can resist a force opposing it forever. Do you think hv would hurt Superman ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree.

Duration matters and nothing in reality can resist a force opposing it forever. Do you think hv would hurt Superman ?

Fair enough.

Strong enough hv would, yes. But I don't rate Sunspot's heat at anything close to the HV of a kryptonian or Superman himself. Not from what I saw in the movie anyway. Same goes for the Sentinels.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't know about that. I saw one sentinel use ice against a mutant using fire.

I see him succumbing to this. He isn't immune at all.

Regardless of your doubts, that was the scenario shown on screen. Also the details left out in your post abut that scene makes your viewing of the movie suspect.

How? He survive being in outer space and re-entry.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was ko'd there. Are you saying that level of heat was the same to the sentinels fire used ?

I guess all fire is the same level.

If he can tank a lighter than a forest fire won't do anything. All the same to Robbie.

Considering there wasn't any collateral damage to the walls and such when the fire was used, I doubt that fire is hotter. Atmospheric entry can produce 3,000+ degrees.

Strawman.

Strawman crying. Poor form, all you have when you're bested.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Fair enough.

Strong enough hv would, yes. But I don't rate Sunspot's heat at anything close to the HV of a kryptonian or Superman himself. Not from what I saw in the movie anyway. Same goes for the Sentinels.

Why do you think the hv is greater in terms of power ?

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Regardless of your doubts, that was the scenario shown on screen. Also the details left out in your post abut that scene makes your viewing of the movie suspect.

How? He survive being in outer space and re-entry.

Hv obviously hurts them.

Originally posted by Robtard
Considering there wasn't any collateral damage to the walls and such when the fire was used, I doubt that fire is hotter. Atmospheric entry can produce 3,000+ degrees.

Strawman.

Strawman crying. Poor form, all you have when you're bested.

No, it isn't.

I am using common sense. Realistically Superman hasn't shown himself to be immune to this fire or this ice especially under a long period of time.