Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, I disagree.Why do you think the hv is greater in terms of power ?
Power levels, mostly. Nothing I saw on-screen led me to believe that Sunspot's fire was anything close to matching the heat of re-entry. It was hot, sure, but I'd need to see more to believe it was capable of harming Superman.
Second, the Sentinel beams didn't come across as being any more powerful in any considerable way than the attacks of the mutants they used them on, imo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is a brief moment and not a duration attack. It's like saying he took a punch and saying ten minutes of punching wouldn't hurt him.Hv obviously hurts them.
That one Sentinel adapted to the fire after being attacked with it. It didn't just start shooting flames like your implying. Also the Sentinels were visibly affected before adapting.
If your trying to compare HV to oil rig fire, orbital re-entry and Sunfire's flames, then you are mistaken. None of the Kryptonians were seriously injured by it and HV has been shown to cut through a building and melt through steel beams immediately: something that the Sentinels couldn't replicate on the scale to hurt a Kryptonian to say the least.
Also you left out how the Sentinels would know when to use these powers. As I've stated before, the Sentinels were never shown to use mutant abilities right away or at the very least not w/o being attacked by a mutant first.
Kal got this. A few punches should be more than enough to dispose of it.
And no, I don't think a sentinel can adapt to Kryptonian DNA, but playing devil's advocate, i'll explain how that tactic wouldn't work even if it could. Kal's abilities do not come from his genes, they come from the sun. Even if a sentinel could adapt the ability to metabolize solar radiation like a kryptonian and decided to use that ability, in direct sunlight, it would still be a very weak kryptonian facing a full powered one. Kal would still be able to rip it to pieces.
Kal wins.
Even if Sentinels can adapt to Supes DNA (which seems pretty unlikely, but let's assume for the sake of arguing something that can never be proven one way or the other) there's still no way just 1 Sentinel is going to survive long enough to adapt to him. Just no way. Superman will punch a hole right through the Sentinel in the first second they fight.
Originally posted by -Pr-Thr duration is something that will make a difference. Hold your hand over a lighter for a second and compare that to several minutes.
Power levels, mostly. Nothing I saw on-screen led me to believe that Sunspot's fire was anything close to matching the heat of re-entry. It was hot, sure, but I'd need to see more to believe it was capable of harming Superman.Second, the Sentinel beams didn't come across as being any more powerful in any considerable way than the attacks of the mutants they used them on, imo.
I never said that they were more powerful.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaIt used ice to defeat the fire being.
That one Sentinel adapted to the fire after being attacked with it. It didn't just start shooting flames like your implying. Also the Sentinels were visibly affected before adapting.If your trying to compare HV to oil rig fire, orbital re-entry and Sunfire's flames, then you are mistaken. None of the Kryptonians were seriously injured by it and HV has been shown to cut through a building and melt through steel beams immediately: something that the Sentinels couldn't replicate on the scale to hurt a Kryptonian to say the least.
Also you left out how the Sentinels would know when to use these powers. As I've stated before, the Sentinels were never shown to use mutant abilities right away or at the very least not w/o being attacked by a mutant first.
Duration matters. Superman's durability doesn't change yet he was ko'd by an oil rig.
Duration. Applied differently altogether.
They used them to overtake a team of mutants with experience in taking them on. That chnages things, kiddo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thr duration is something that will make a difference. Hold your hand over a lighter for a second and compare that to several minutes.I never said that they were more powerful.
Sure, it's different, but I still don't see it being enough. Also the whole friction part of re-entry to be considered.
They'd need to be to hurt Superman, is my point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It used ice to defeat the fire being.Duration matters. Superman's durability doesn't change yet he was ko'd by an oil rig.
Duration. Applied differently altogether.
They used them to overtake a team of mutants with experience in taking them on. That chnages things, kiddo.
You're omitting details again and just ignored everything I said about it. Sentinel's adapt to mutant powers according to what they're attacked with.
Supes wasn't KO'd by oil rig fire, we even saw him walk through it. Also you're low-balling again.
How so? HV has cut through Kryptonian ships and buildings, Sunfire's flames haven't done anything on that scale. Oh and you've still yet to specify how the Sentinels would know how to use either fire or ice against Superman.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaThe same sentinel wasn't attacked with ice it just countered with said element.
You're omitting details again and just ignored everything I said about it. Sentinel's adapt to mutant powers according to what they're attacked with.Supes wasn't KO'd by oil rig fire, we even saw him walk through it. Also you're low-balling again.
How so? HV has cut through Kryptonian ships and buildings, Sunfire's flames haven't done anything on that scale. Oh and you've still yet to specify how the Sentinels would know how to use either fire or ice against Superman.
He was ko'd by the strain of him exerting his strength and being overpowered. Its canon. Counts, sport.
Duration. I didn't say it kills him on initial contact. Pay attention, kid.
Sentinel emits the elements onto Superman and he succumbs.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The same sentinel wasn't attacked with ice it just countered with said element.He was ko'd by the strain of him exerting his strength and being overpowered. Its canon. Counts, sport.
Duration. I didn't say it kills him on initial contact. Pay attention, kid.
Sentinel emits the elements onto Superman and he succumbs.
What does that have to do with oil rig fire? I specified the flames not the scene itself.
Again Supes has done orbital re-entry twice and HV>what ever Sunfire does based on what was shown on screen.
That's nice. Now tell me how would the Sentinels know which abilities to use on Supeman and when to use them: two part question here.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaIt still had the power to do so all along.
It countered with Ice because it was being attacked with fire. It didn't just start using Ice for no reason.What does that have to do with oil rig fire? I specified the flames not the scene itself.
Again Supes has done orbital re-entry twice and HV>what ever Sunfire does based on what was shown on screen.
That's nice. Now tell me how would the Sentinels know which abilities to use on Supeman and when to use them: two part question here.
I cited a ko which is relevant.
Duration.
All of the attacks would hurt him. It doesn't have to necessarily be weakness exploitation like with the fire and ice.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It still had the power to do so all along.I cited a ko which is relevant.
Duration.
All of the attacks would hurt him. It doesn't have to necessarily be weakness exploitation like with the fire and ice.
Yet it never used the power in any fashion other than to counter another mutant ability. The Sentinel's have never just used mutant powers w/o being attacked by them. Saying that they would is an assumption w/o any screen evidence.
The KO, which is low-balling, is not relevant to the topic of elemental resistance.
You keep saying that yet you haven't brought up exactly how much damage the flames do. Meanwhile the Kryptonians haven't been seriously damaged by HV and based on feats HV>Sunfire flames.
Supes took a train and hits from people with similar strength to his. Also you haven't explained why ice and fire are weaknesses nor have you answered my initial question.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaThey didn't need to be attacked to use the power necessary. That is the point. They have the powers already.
Yet it never used the power in any fashion other than to counter another mutant ability. The Sentinel's have never just used mutant powers w/o being attacked by them. Saying that they would is an assumption w/o any screen evidence.The KO, which is low-balling, is not relevant to the topic of elemental resistance.
You keep saying that yet you haven't brought up exactly how much damage the flames do. Meanwhile the Kryptonians haven't been seriously damaged by HV and based on feats HV>Sunfire flames.
Supes took a train and hits from people with similar strength to his. Also you haven't explained why ice and fire are weaknesses nor have you answered my initial question.
Koing is relevant.
Duration and a quick burst are too totally different things. Acting like they aren't and the time under exposure to said attacks is based off of nothing logical.
He isn't completely immune to said elements just highly resistant. Ball is in your court.