The Sith Emperor vs. Satele Shan, Cade Skywalker, and TPM Maul

^ I would like to note that in the novel when Revan is in stasis at the end, it is stated he outcome of the battle would have been unknown, meaning the team could have won . 😉

But then after that Scourge said the Emperor would have won regardless 😉

No. That was the chapter before iirc.

Originally posted by Q99
What has his lightning done to show that power, though? And it doesn't need to hold indefinitely or anything, there's Shan and Maul there to launch attacks in return.

Note, Vitiate *did* almost die to Revan + Meetra + Scourge.

I don't understand what you mean. He pwned the Strike Team. That shows his power clearly. His lightning is infinitely more powerful than Nyriss'.

Only because he wasn't aware that Meetra and Scourge had defeated his guard and because Revan had figured out how to defend against his telepathic attacks.

Originally posted by Q99
Cade's resisted both Muur's attempt to take him over and Krayt's attempted essence transfer into him.

I think all three here are mentally very strong.

Neither Muur nor Krayt compare to Vitiate mentally. Them being mentally strong is meaningless against a mind powerful enough to dominate armies. Vitiate is the most dominating Sith in history.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. That was the chapter before iirc.

Nope:

"Betraying his allies had not altered the inevitable outcome; the Emperor would have won regardless."

No. Vitiate is the most dominating Sith up to that time. The codex and encyclopedia are in limited third person views. They don't know hat will happen after a select time.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nope:

"Betraying his allies had not altered the inevitable outcome; the Emperor would have won regardless."

I'm inclined to believe Scourge considering we know he was having a ton of visions during the fight. His final one pretty clearly said that the Hero of Tython would defeat Vitiate, not Revan.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yes. That was the chapter before.

lol how could that be the chapter before? He's becoming the Emperor's Wrath at this point and had already betrayed Meetra and Revan. Plus the quote I mentioned is in the last Chapter of the book.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. Vitiate is the most dominating Sith up to that time. The codex and encyclopedia are in limited third person views. They don't know hat will happen after a select time.

I know. But Muur came before him and Krayt doesn't compare. Other than that the only one who compares is Sidious himself. And I'm not inclined to give him the tip over Vitiate.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
lol how could that be the chapter before? He's becoming the Emperor's Wrath at this point and had already betrayed Meetra and Revan. Plus the quote I mentioned is in the last Chapter of the book.

Nope, Chapter 29 starts with: "The ritual is about to begin."

Maybe you need to fix up your memory 👆

Your memory is poor Ant, considering you said it was the chapter before, when both statements were said in the same chapter. 😉

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nope, Chapter 29 starts with: "The ritual is about to begin."

Maybe you need to fix up your memory 👆

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yes. The first part of that chapter is with Scourge and his quote.
The next part is with Revan and his quote.
Revans quote comes after. I am right. You are not.

Yeah just re-read that part of the novel

But as Neph said, i'd take Scourge's word over Revan's in this case.

Don't say "Yeah" when you believed Scourges quote came before. The correct term is "conceded."

Scourges vision would be if he betrayed revan, since that's what happened in canon, like the HoT beating Vitiate. It's not really as reliable as Revans at all, who is a complete master at precognition.

Battle precognition isn't the same as actual visions. Scourge saw the possibilities of the fight, not Revan. We should believe him over Revan.

1. I've beaten you in debates before (such as mando wars Revan vs. Ulic) and you just ignored the points and never responded, so don't apply your hypocrisy here.

2. He acted as he did because of that vision. In that last moment of clarity he saw the HoT defeating the Emperor, and he acted accordingly. And precog is different than visions bro.

Except the fact Scourges visions would be clouded by Vitiate, PIS, and fear of death.

1. I've beaten you in debates before (such as mando wars Revan vs. Ulic) and you just ignored the points and never responded, so don't apply your hypocrisy here.