Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Naw they bullets slowly moved the entire time, which is why at the end of the vid he moved them, as they were reaching his friends. He did everything while they were moving the distance. And well bullets aren't all that fast really when you get into superspeeds
How fast do you think he was moving?
Eh I'm not one of the math geeks here. I just know that the bullets give a good reference point, and while him goofing off makes the exact speed murky. We do know that what ever it was the bullets which have a set speed range where still making noticeable progress. Which tells me something several times their speed would be moving faster in his eyes
Originally posted by DARTH POWERHush.
You should know better than anyone.If your referring to the Khan/Skywalker battlezone I've already beaten you. When you can show Khan moving as fast and leaping as far as the Jedi, then we can talk.
But fact is you can't.
I win. You lose. As usual.
What does another feat from another guy have to do with Vader in a versus fight ?
Jango can't jump as far as a Jedi but that didn't seem to bother him against Obi. Jango is quite formidable and brings other tools which mattered. Jump off the jedis nutsacks to think for a second.
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Or anywhere near it.
Yo do know at relativistics speeds time dilation is not LINEAR, right?
It only starts reaching really WTF time weird effects over 90%c. At 90% the speed of light, time would "only" slow down almost 50% relative to the external frame.
Again: at 90%c time wouldn't be close to be frozen, yet.
Now, those bullets would have reached their targets (can't post links yet) at least in 0.01 second. That 0.01 second from Quicksilver's POV was at least a full minute...
If somebody believes he wasn't "anywhere near" light speed, well... I don't know what else to say. 😕
Originally posted by Squirtle
Yeah... 😕 ever heard of common sense? Don't think so, else you'd know that mutants or DNA doesn't behave in X-men's way, and also that red/yellow sun don't give/take superpowers or that it's impossible to have heat-vision... right? right?Yet, we are here to discuss it. When you talk about movies, you have to mix a bunch of different elements to give any sense to what the director is trying to show you.
In this case, he was saying something like: [B]Hey, this guy is so ****ing fast that time slows a LOT for him when he "speeds up"
. He wasn't writting a paper about physics.-Maybe he has some kinetic bullshit field? we don't ****ing know. (Clearly he wasn't affected from kinetic force from external elements, but he did affect them, greatly)
-How fast was he going? again we don't ****ing know, but loooking at how his timeframe elapsed, yeah... he was at a relativistic speed of 99.999998% the speed of light.Nice "argument" 🙄 [/B]
Wow. Just... wow. "Common sense", you say? By showing you the link to what happens to objects approximating the speed of light, I WAS using common sense. 😎
But, since "we are here to discuss it", and most of your statements consist of "we don't ****ing know", but "yeah, he was at... 99.9... % the speed of light", let's analyse the scene to clear up some of your "we don't ****ing know"s using "common sense", if that will make you happy.
Bullets from a 9 mil have a muzzle velocity of about 350 meters/second. If those guys are standing 10 meters apart, that means the bullets in real time would take about 0.028 seconds to cover the distance. From Quicksilver's perspective, it takes about 40 seconds for the bullets to cover the distance.
Therefore, his speeded-up perception and movements are demonstrated to be about 1,400 times faster than a human being. Bolt runs at about 12.2 meters per second. Since QS moves about 1,400 times faster, he runs at about 17,000 meters / second, or about 17 km/second. The speed of light is about 300 000 km/second. Therefore, QS is traveling at about 0.00006 the speed of light.
Superman, on the other hand, is shown to reach speeds of about 200 km/second during his fight with Zod. This is about 11 times faster than Quicksilver.
I hope you prefer this argument. 😮💨
*Edit* Whoops, my bad. Watched the scene again and timed it, it takes about twice as long as I thought, closer to 80 seconds. So, to be very generous and much more fair, let's make QS 3,000 times faster than human in that scene. That enables him to reach about 35 km/second. Congratulations! He is now only 0.0001 the speed of light. 😄
Or, to get back to topic, about 5 to 6 times slower than Superman. 😉
Originally posted by SquirtleI don't think you know very much about time dilation.
Yo do know at relativistics speeds time dilation is not LINEAR, right?It only starts reaching really WTF time weird effects over 90%c. At 90% the speed of light, time would "only" slow down almost 50% relative to the external frame.
Again: at 90%c time wouldn't be close to be frozen, yet.
Now, those bullets would have reached their targets (can't post links yet) at least in 0.01 second. That [B]0.01 second
from Quicksilver's POV was at least a full minute...If somebody believes he wasn't "anywhere near" light speed, well... I don't know what else to say. 😕 [/B]
Time dilation is not "the world around QS slows down", it would be "time is actually, literally slowing down from QS's point of view".
Time dilation occurring for QS at, say, 90% the speed of light would be something like "according to my watch I just ran a five hundred thousand kilometers in 1.8531 seconds". And then some ****ing douchebag normal human says "No you ran a million kilometers (Length contraction nigga) in 3.7063 seconds."
QS's brain works much faster than any human being's does. That is the effect seen in the movie.
You're using QS's speed relative to other people to justify this incredibly huge number, when you should be comparing his speed to the speed of other objects.
Like the bullet that managed to travel twenty feet before he got around to moving it. Were he moving at nearly the speed of light he'd have incapacitated everyone before it moved an inch away from the barrel.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hush.What does another feat from another guy have to do with Vader in a versus fight ?
LOL, They are basic Jedi feats coming from Padawans much less powerful than ROTS Anakin/Vader.
Jeez you don't have even a little bit of common sense do you?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Jango can't jump as far as a Jedi but that didn't seem to bother him against Obi.
LOL Yeah because he flies DUMBASS! Otherwise he was about to get chopped up.
This is exactly why your the biggest TROLL on KMC.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't think you know very much about time dilation.Time dilation is not "the world around QS slows down", it would be "time is actually, literally slowing down from QS's point of view".
Time dilation occurring for QS at, say, 90% the speed of light would be something like "according to my watch I just ran a five hundred thousand kilometers in 1.8531 seconds". And then some ****ing douchebag normal human says "No you ran a million kilometers (Length contraction nigga) in 3.7063 seconds."
QS's brain works much faster than any human being's does. That is the effect seen in the movie.
You're using QS's speed relative to other people to justify this incredibly huge number, when you should be comparing his speed to the speed of other objects.
Like the bullet that managed to travel twenty feet before he got around to moving it. Were he moving at nearly the speed of light he'd have incapacitated everyone before it moved an inch away from the barrel.
All true, except we still don't have feats from Superman, running and reacting that fast. We only have feats of him flying that fast.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERYou don't get to use other feats and falsely apply then to Vader while ignoring his feats. I'm going to annihilate someone with your shitty tactics of clinging to other feats.
LOL, They are basic Jedi feats coming from Padawans much less powerful than ROTS Anakin/Vader.Jeez you don't have even a little bit of common sense do you?
LOL Yeah because he flies DUMBASS! Otherwise he was about to get chopped up.
This is exactly why your the biggest TROLL on KMC.
All true, except we still don't have feats from Superman, running and reacting that fast. We only have feats of him flying that fast.
Precisely. The reason he lost to Windu was due to the fact his jetpack quit working. Initially, Windu jumped back to avoid the flamethrower as well. Its a two way street.
Khans firepower and feats are far more impressive than Jango's. Anakin isn't facing his upset, pregnant wife, sport.
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Originally posted by Dreampanther
Wow. Just... wow. "Common sense", you say? By showing you the link to what happens to objects approximating the speed of light, I WAS using common sense. 😎
Originally posted by NemeBro
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Originally posted by DARTH POWERThey are t his feats so who cares. You can use the feats in general but can't avoid Anakin's feats.
LOL, They are basic Jedi feats coming from Padawans much less powerful than ROTS Anakin/Vader.Jeez you don't have even a little bit of common sense do you?
LOL Yeah because he flies DUMBASS! Otherwise he was about to get chopped up.
This is exactly why your the biggest TROLL on KMC.
All true, except we still don't have feats from Superman, running and reacting that fast. We only have feats of him flying that fast.
He has other abilities then jedis. He didn't need flight to kill the Jedi in AOTC.
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Flying that fast isn't the same as reacting in a fight. You don't say Usain bolt is quicker than Bruce Lee because he can run well beyond Lee. Think for once, kiddo.
Originally posted by SquirtleNo, I'm afraid you're wrong.
Nope, Quicksilver's own time perception will be the same, within his frame. GPS satellites experience 7 microseconds [B]extra per day, for every second we experience here, do you know why? the answer is up there.
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Tell me more about why you think QS can move near the speed of light in a two minute (For the viewer) time frame while a bullet in the same time frame traveled twenty feet.
What was he doing during this time? Running cross-country off-screen?
Originally posted by NemeBroTraveling speed and reactionary speed in a fight couldn't be further apart.
No, I'm afraid you're wrong.Tell me more about why you think QS can move near the speed of light in a two minute (For the viewer) time frame while a bullet in the same time frame traveled twenty feet.
What was he doing during this time? Running cross-country off-screen?
Usain Bolt doesn't have quicker reflexes in a fight than Bruce Lee despite him being able to destroy him in a race. Traveling speed is such a ridiculous argument.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't get to use other feats and falsely apply then to Vader while ignoring his feats.
LOL He was completely equal to ROTS Kenobi, and your honestly going to argue he can't equal a speed/agility feat of Padawan Kenobi/Luke?
You see this is why your the biggest Troll on KMC. You completely throw out common sense in favor of your fanboyism.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm going to annihilate someone with your shitty tactics of clinging to other feats.
You mean your going to throw out legitimate Jedi feats in favor of your fanboyism and Troll me. Nothing new there.
Care to switch it to TPM PADAWAN Kenobi vs Khan? Or you too scared I'm going to build walls around your ability to TROLL?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Precisely. The reason he lost to Windu was due to the fact his jetpack quit working. Initially, Windu jumped back to avoid the flamethrower as well. Its a two way street.
Yeah when Windu was blocking Battle droid fire as well TROLL.
That actually proves Jedi don't need their Lightsabers to block blasts, they can simply use their speed/agility. A leap like that facing Khan one on one and Khan is simply dead. Everyone here knows that except MR. TROLL.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khans firepower and feats are far more impressive than Jango's. Anakin isn't facing his upset, pregnant wife, sport.😂
Really? Better feats? Show me Khan leaping upwards as quick and as far as Jango flies straight up.
BTW All your opinions are Subjective. All that matters is that Star Wars has much greater Box Office success than Star Trek into Darkness 😆
Anyway as for this thread I accept your concession that Superman "barely" dodging a bullet is a ridiculously biased, subjective and stupid argument.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERYou use the feats of what these guys do themselves. You fanboys want to just argue out of character and ignore the feats they do themselves to escape the reality of the films and the manner in which the feats occur.
LOL He was completely equal to ROTS Kenobi, and your honestly going to argue he can't equal a speed/agility feat of Padawan Kenobi/Luke?You see this is why your the biggest Troll on KMC. You completely throw out common sense in favor of your fanboyism.
You mean your going to throw out legitimate Jedi feats in favor of your fanboyism and Troll me. Nothing new there.
Care to switch it to TPM PADAWAN Kenobi vs Khan? Or you too scared I'm going to build walls around your ability to TROLL?
Yeah when Windu was blocking Battle droid fire as well TROLL.
That actually proves Jedi don't need their Lightsabers to block blasts, they can simply use their speed/agility. A leap like that facing Khan one on one and Khan is simply dead. Everyone here knows that except MR. TROLL.
Really? Better feats? Show me Khan leaping upwards as quick and as far as Jango flies straight up.
BTW All your opinions are Subjective. All that matters is that Star Wars has much greater Box Office success than Star Trek into Darkness 😆
Anyway as for this thread I accept your concession that Superman "barely" dodging a bullet is a ridiculously biased, subjective and stupid argument.
So now you want to back down the day before and switch it to Another char star the day before.
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Windu had to jump back to avoid the flame thrower.
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Windu used his speed and agility to get away from a flamethrower which is far slower than a laser blast. Quit equating the two. They aren't the same speed or the same thing at all.
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Khan jumped thirty meters and doesn't need to jump away in this fight. He will mow Vader down prior to him getting close to him.
I agree it is vastly more successful but I like it that way. Star Wars formula is vastly superior to the old Trekkie ways. This explains why I jumped on board when a non Trekkie took over and made it more Star Warsy.
I want them both to succeed but overall I prefer StarWars movies and the ideas of the films at their core than the Star Trek films. I hated the old franchise and loved the second one the best out of all Star Wars and Star Trek but prefer the formula for Star Wars than the core formula for Trek. I hope the reboot keeps up the ways of Abrams because it could change overall.
Khan is definitely the most superior warrior out of both series reboot version a ways.
Originally posted by quanchi112No, but Usain Bolt does have quicker reflexes than Stephen Hawking. And the difference in speed between Superman and QS is bigger than the difference between Usain Bolt and Stephen Hawking.
Traveling speed and reactionary speed in a fight couldn't be further apart.Usain Bolt doesn't have quicker reflexes in a fight than Bruce Lee despite him being able to destroy him in a race. Traveling speed is such a ridiculous argument.
Originally posted by NemeBroHawkijg can barely move but someone running faster doesn't translate over to fighting speed.
No, but Usain Bolt does have quicker reflexes than Stephen Hawking. And the difference in speed between Superman and QS is bigger than the difference between Usain Bolt and Stephen Hawking.
QS is vastly quicker than someone not fast enough to save his own stepdaddy.