Revan runs the Gauntlet

If that is the case, so is the lightsaber prowess.

This is a debate, not a trade.

"When confronted by the Imperial Guard, the mightiest of Sith have laid down their lightsabers and surrendered to the inevitable death offered by a guardsman's electrostaff. Even members of the Dark Council fear the Imperial Guard, though many would die before confessing such a weakness."
It says "a", not "the" or "all".

I was referring to "Even members of the Dark Council feat *the* Imperial Guard".

But yeah, dealing with them as he did is an impressive display of skill. They're like the MagnaGuards of their day.

And I agree with such, but nothing really suggests there were *that* much more from what you say to be for it to be comparable to Revan's feat.

Right, Revan and his crew killed more Sith than the Legacy guys did. I'm just saying as far as skill goes, if you're killing them in the dozens, stopping short on number doesn't really make the skill feat less impressive. It speaks for Revan's stamina and endurance to be able to go on, but slaughtering dozens of Sith is slaughtering dozens of Sith.

I disagree. They could probably press someone like Qui-Gon Jinn with all there Force abilities.

In large numbers they could be a problem for someone like Qui-Gon. Moderate numbers of them would get slaughtered by Jinn, just like the Sith on Coruscant got slaughtered by Zallow, though.

It's due to the fact you lowball his greatest feat because no PT character share the same, so you try to compare it to other feats despite them being failed attempts.

This feat and the PT have absolutely nothing to do with one another. And I don't think this is Revan's best feat, though he has some nice accolades in there.

You also lowball the smacking down of Malak 7 times, something Dooku couldn't do.

I've already argued my case on this point, and you have yet to refute it.

And again Malak wasn't smacked down at all, according to Karpyshyn it was a hard and brutal fight.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Clears.

You can't be serious.

But yeah, dealing with them as he did is an impressive display of skill. They're like the MagnaGuards of their day.

if you're killing them in the dozens, stopping short on number doesn't really make the skill feat less impressive.

Moderate numbers of them would get slaughtered by Jinn, just like the Sith on Coruscant got slaughtered by Zallow, though.

And again Malak wasn't smacked down at all, according to Karpyshyn it was a hard and brutal fight.

I've already argued my case on this point, and you have yet to refute it.

Manga Guards have rather insane accolades of their own. One off the top of my head said that most Jedi in the Order weren't a match for one of the Mag's.

Shaak Ti was capable of slaughtering like 8.
She would be hard pressed by one Imperial Guard.

Doubt she'd have any more trouble than Revan did.

Also, Shaak Ti has had some difficulty with singular MagnaGuards on more than one occasion in both TCW and CW.

She would have more trouble then the Exile did, lol, and the Exile was pressed.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Manga Guards have rather insane accolades of their own. One off the top of my head said that most Jedi in the Order weren't a match for one of the Mag's.

Aaaand Ahsoka beat 4 at once in the movie. Most of the PT Jedi are shite though, so that's probably accurate.

Lol @ "Manga Guards".

Yeah, as if Jinn is doing this, theres half a dozen right there, and I have yet to reach the climax ^
Those Sith do Drain, Lightning, Slow, and Telekensis, along with being stated to be "highly skilled" in lightsaber combat. Two of them can press Jinn tbh.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Various Force powers? Herself or from Kreia? Either way knowing a lot of powers has nothing to do with strength, nor does it show how she's better than anyone.

You said she didn't become greater in anything, which is clearly untrue given that she became much more masterful of the Force and much more skilled in lightsaber combat. And she learned many techniques from her crew members.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Not her power.

From the bonds, not herself.

She's still using those bonds, including the one she still had with Kreia.

That's irrelevant. She can still call on that power, so it doesn't matter if it "belongs" to her or anything. You might as well suggest Nihilus or Vitiate are crap because their mighty power is just drained from others. The Exile wields that power so it counts as hers.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
What point was this proving. The Exile being alive was the most potent danger she could ever pose to the Force. Kreia would not know of what would come after for the Exile, due to her nature, so she would know nothing of the Exile's wound healing later. Either way, that statement has nothing to do with power level.

As I said, Kreia makes that statement in response to you beating her in combat and cutting off her hand. She's obviously referring to the Exiles combat skills. She's not just randomly talking about the Exile being greater than anyone shes trained because she can blow up the Force. That doesn't even make sense. 😬

Originally posted by Nephthys
You said she didn't become greater in anything, which is clearly untrue given that she became much more masterful of the Force and much more skilled in lightsaber combat. And she learned many techniques from her crew members.

That's irrelevant. She can still call on that power, so it doesn't matter if it "belongs" to her or anything. You might as well suggest Nihilus or Vitiate are crap because their mighty power is just drained from others. The Exile wields that power so it counts as hers.

As I said, Kreia makes that statement in response to you beating her in combat and cutting off her hand. She's obviously referring to the Exiles combat skills. She's not just randomly talking about the Exile being greater than anyone shes trained because she can blow up the Force. That doesn't even make sense. 😬

2. She can't call on it anymore. At least not Kreia's, which I think is where most of her power came from. I don't really see what the big deal is with the Exile being average. The average Jedi proved to be powerful Sith and Dark Jedi during the Jedi Civil War. The Exile not being Space Jesus of her time is why I respect the character a lot more.

3. How doesn't it make sense? If the Exile lives, they'll just become more and more powerful while slowly killing everything in their way. At least that is what she hoped for.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
1. I'll admit I was being kind of harsh on Surik; I'm sure she learned a lot during KotOR II. I just however have seen none of it translated into TOR.

2. She can't call on it anymore. At least not Kreia's, which I think is where most of her power came from. I don't really see what the big deal is with the Exile being average. The average Jedi proved to be powerful Sith and Dark Jedi during the Jedi Civil War. The Exile not being Space Jesus of her time is why I respect the character a lot more.

3. How doesn't it make sense? If the Exile lives, they'll just become more and more powerful while slowly killing everything in their way. At least that is what she hoped for.

1. She's not (alive) in TOR. And regardless, we're only discussing the Exile as written in Kotor II.

2. Why can she not call on it? That's just a theory. And you're forgetting that she absorbs the power of the people she kills, so she'd drain Kreia's power on her death.

3. That has no bearing on her being great. That's not being great, that's being a walking tumor. That's also not what Kreia wanted, or else she'd just let Nihilus do his thing.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
She would have more trouble then the Exile did, lol, and the Exile was pressed.

The Exile was also stomped by Nyriss, who Shaak Ti would defeat in the same circumstances.

Lolwut?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lolwut?

The Exile was also stomped by Nyriss, who Shaak Ti would defeat in the same circumstances.

Nyriss would beat Dooku, let alone Shaak Ti.

Kicking Galen's Ass>>>>Getting roflstomped by Nyriss

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nyriss would beat Dooku, let alone Shaak Ti.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Kicking Galen's Ass>>>>Getting roflstomped by Nyriss

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Wait.
You put Nyriss above Revan?
Wut.

In lightsabers, yeah.

I mean, Revan is kind of shitty with lightsabers.