Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Neph, I'll get to all that later. And for the record, I never once tried to dismiss Bane's 12 blade feat. It's you who always dismisses feats or concepts (hint: force nexuses) when you don't like them. That Obi Wan was unable to place an exact number as to where Dooku appeared to be, and instead used the exaggerated term "everywhere at once," would imply that Kenobi, despite having heightened reflexes, was unable to calculate the number of locations Dooku appeared to be. It's the same way one jedi compared Vader's speed to Yoda's. It's not that Vader is as fast as Yoda, it's just that the jedi in particular was unable to place an exact number as to how fast Vader was moving, simply because Vader was moving faster than his eyes were able to follow. It makes more sense than a force user calculating the amount of sabers there appeared to be throughout an entire duel, and then giving off an exact number, while at the same time trying to defend herself against the attacks from those "12 sabers."
If you're not dismissing it then what are you saying about it? From what I can tell you are simply trying to diminish it by claiming it doesn't make sense and trying to make it less impressive than Dooku's feats through flawed logic.
As to Obi-Wans feat, it's isn't that. Its just a vague, hyperbolic statement suggesting that Dooku was dominating him. It is clearly hyperbolic since Dooku couldn't seem to be everywhere at once. To compare it to Raskta's similar feat:
"She seemed to be everywhere at once-in front of Bane, beside him, behind him, circling low, leaping to come in high, deflecting his blade with one of her own then stabbing three quick times in succession at his eyes."
This is obviously superior because it actually expounds on the fact that the phrase isn't just an exaggerated description, she was actually appearing to be in multiple places at once. Obi-Wans use of it though is just a common description used in books about human speed fighters all the time, for dramatic effect. As in, hyperbole.
The term was in reference to Dooku's speed, Neph. One can be dominated in a fight through sheer strength of his opponent, but he's not going to say his opponent appeared to be everywhere at once unless there's a disparity in speed. I considered Dooku's feat superior due to the fact that it involved Dooku's entire body, and because Kenobi's use of the exaggerated term strongly suggested that he couldn't place a limit to Dooku's movements, he was unable to follow.
Yes, you are correct, it is a term used in books all the time. It's a term that strongly suggests one is being vastly outpaced in a fight, which was the case with Kenobi. However, the fact that Kenobi has fast reflexes, him using the term "everywhere at once" to describe Dooku's speed comes off as more impressive than it being used to describe a normal human's speed in other books, and is therefore not comparable.
Isn't the actual quote:
"As Obi-Wan gave ground, Dooku quickened the pace. His every move was economical and elegant; his lightsaber seemed to be everywhere. Obi-Wan remembered Jocasta Nu telling him, With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. Now he could see what she meant. Unfortunately. "
So, its not Dooku's entire body, is it and it mentions his lightsaber seeming everywhere at once in regards to his skill.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
The term was in reference to Dooku's speed, Neph. One can be dominated in a fight through sheer strength of his opponent, but he's not going to say his opponent appeared to be everywhere at once unless there's a disparity in speed. I considered Dooku's feat superior due to the fact that it involved Dooku's entire body, and because Kenobi's use of the exaggerated term strongly suggested that he couldn't place a limit to Dooku's movements, he was unable to follow.Yes, you are correct, it is a term used in books all the time. It's a term that strongly suggests one is being vastly outpaced in a fight, which was the case with Kenobi. However, the fact that Kenobi has fast reflexes, him using the term "everywhere at once" to describe Dooku's speed comes off as more impressive than it being used to describe a normal human's speed in other books, and is therefore not comparable.
Uh, yes he is. I've read a fight where that description is used about a guy being unable to break his opponents guard. As in he couldn't get through since the guys sword was "everywhere". And from the quote I just posted, its seems pretty clear that that's basically what the actual feat is. Just because Kenobi used an exaggerated term doesn't mean he couldn't place a limit, just that he was being vague and hyperbolic. Just like Revan being said to have 'limitless' potential or Sidious having 'unlimited power' or the Exchange having agents 'everywhere'.
Even if I conceded that, the problem with hyperbole is that its inexact and vague. Yeah, Dooku was outpacing Kenobi. So? How much faster than him was he really going though? You cannot use it to argue he's faster than Bane, it's unprovable. It's incomparable to Bane or Raskta's feats since they're infinitely more quantifiable.