Zannah has her illusions and her tentacle thing that severs limbs, but if this is Revan with all of his memories back, I imagine him showing her why he was called the Heart of the Force. Has Zannah demonstrated via force alone that she can resist his Force Storm and Force Wave? And is Insanity a canon power for Revan? If so, it would be interesting to see her having to endure a mind assault.
She can't use tendrils here, she needs a nexus for that, at least based on the fact she never uses it anywhere else.
And is Insanity a canon power for Revan?
Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
Has Zannah demonstrated via force alone that she can resist his Force Storm and Force Wave?
Bane couldn't effect her with his TK or lightning so.....
Also she has. As a child she used a Force Bubble to defend against the Ruusan Force Storm that was composed of hundreds of forks of lightning and a firestorm.
She blocked his planet-wide Force Storm as an untrained child.
If Bane could have effected her with his TK he would have tried it under the Stone Prison.
He admits that he would have died and had no hope of beating her if he hadn't of triggered that explosion.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This, like the snapping of necks, were of primal instinct, not her own actions. Ironically, these are honestly some of her best showings, and the fact she has never replicated them again shows that despite she has yet to reach her true potential by the time she defeats, some of her feats are not eligible yet to use in a debate.
Still representative of her power. And do you seriously think she couldn't snap necks if she wanted to as Zannah? She hit a woman with the force of a ****ing train in DoE.
She's never in a position to replicate them. That doesn't mean she can't. How would she even replicate blocking a planet wide force storm? There isn't a New Jersey in Star Wars. She used a lightsaber to bat away Banes lightning because its far more effective and easier to do that. That doesn't mean she can't use a Force Bubble, which even Worror could do.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Speculation.
Speculation [b]everywhere.[/b]
It's called common sense. If Bane could have affected her with his TK he would have. He had no options other than the Force yet he had to resort to the fancy Force Bubble instead of just trying to push her away.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Because he was weaker.
Marginally.
Still representative of her power.
And do you seriously think she couldn't snap necks if she wanted to as Zannah?
How would she even replicate blocking a planet wide force storm?
She used a lightsaber to bat away Banes lightning because its far more effective and easier to do that.
That doesn't mean she can't use a Force Bubble, which even Worror could do.
It's called common sense.
f Bane could have affected her with his TK he would have.
Marginally.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
*Still representative of her potential.
Unless she only fulfilled 30 per cent (I'm feeling generous) of her potential she can still block Revan's Force Storm. Because Revan's Force Storm doesn't rate compared to the Storm she defended against.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
She never did again. 😕
So what? She's one of the most powerful and skiled Sith Lords in history, of course she can do it again. Jesus.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
She instinctively puts up a force shield?
That's not how it works, otherwise people would constantly be accessing their full potential by instinct in a crisis. She's already been trained to throw up an instinctive Force shield against attacks, remember? So I guess she can block it derrrp!
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Which is why to use this as evidence she could do the same to Revan's FLS is lame.
No, that's not why.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Actually since she possesses all the info in Freedon Nadds holocron, it's more of a simply deduction. She's the freaking Dark Lord of the Sith, of course she knows how to do a ****ing Force Bubble, a technique she performed instinctively as a 12 year old.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Which is something that Bane wouldn't completely have, thanks to being drugged. Bad choice of words.
He wasn't drugged at the time you shitbird, he'd neutralized all but the very dregs. His thinking would be unaffected, as proven by him thinking of a way to get away by detonating the demolition charges.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This logic is embarrassing, come on Neph. By your logic, this means if someone doesn't use TK in their fight, it is because it won't effect them. Guess Anakin's TK can't always effect Battledroids, or Revan's TK can't effect Mandalorians. Hell, I guess this means Dooku's TK can't effect those pirates.
Wrooooong. Your logic is embarrassing. Anakin and Revan had other options available to them and simply chose not to use it. Dooku would have been shot if he'd have tried to do anything like that since he has no weapon. Bane ONLY had the Force available to him and yet he didn't use it to directly attack Zannah with TK. If he were capable of it, he would have done so. He tries to attack her with lightning directly, but its ineffective so he tries to blow up the ground under her feet. That he resorted to such indirect methods proves that his direct methods wouldn't have worked. Of which TK is one of those methods.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nope.
Yes. It was only the very dregs of the drugs that were left and we know it had a marginal effect on his reflexes, so it would have a similar level of effect on his Force abilities.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Unless she only fulfilled 30 per cent (I'm feeling generous) of her potential she can still block Revan's Force Storm. Because Revan's Force Storm doesn't rate compared to the Storm she defended against.So what? She's one of the most powerful and skiled Sith Lords in history, of course she can do it again. Jesus.
That's not how it works, otherwise people would constantly be accessing their full potential by instinct in a crisis. She's already been trained to throw up an instinctive Force shield against attacks, remember? So I guess she can block it derrrp!
No, that's not why.
Actually since she possesses all the info in Freedon Nadds holocron, it's more of a simply deduction. She's the freaking Dark Lord of the Sith, of course she knows how to do a ****ing Force Bubble, a technique she performed instinctively as a 12 year old.
He wasn't drugged at the time you shitbird, he'd neutralized all but the very dregs. His thinking would be unaffected, as proven by him thinking of a way to get away by detonating the demolition charges.
Wrooooong. Your logic is embarrassing. Anakin and Revan had other options available to them and simply chose not to use it. Dooku would have been shot if he'd have tried to do anything like that since he has no weapon. Bane ONLY had the Force available to him and yet he didn't use it to directly attack Zannah with TK. If he were capable of it, he would have done so. He tries to attack her with lightning directly, but its ineffective so he tries to blow up the ground under her feet. That he resorted to such indirect methods proves that his direct methods wouldn't have worked. Of which TK is one of those methods.
Yes. It was only the very dregs of the drugs that were left and we know it had a marginal effect on his reflexes, so it would have a similar level of effect on his Force abilities.
2. "Whatever the explanation, Bane knew one thing for certain: He didn't want to face Zannah right now. Not while he was still recovering from the toxins Serra had used to render him helpless" Evidently they are still a significant detriment to his abilities.
3. Bane likely wouldn't have used TK because he was unarmed, weakened, and cornered, and would there for be trying to conserve his energy as much as possible to keep up a steady defense.
4. Dooku did get his lightsaber back in his fight with the pirates.
1. I have never been hungover. And thats a false comparison.
2. That's an assumption. Just because he was affected doesn't mean he was affected badly by it. He also didn't have his lightsaber.
3. Yet he was spamming lightning at her feet just to slow her down a tiny bit. And firing bolts at her chest as well. And as I pointed out he used an elaborate Force Bubble defense to stop her from cutting him down instead of just trying to TK her.
4. I meant when he surrendered.
Originally posted by Nephthys
1. I have never been hungover. And thats a false comparison.2. That's an assumption. Just because he was affected doesn't mean he was affected badly by it. He also didn't have his lightsaber.
3. Yet he was spamming lightning at her feet just to slow her down a tiny bit. And firing bolts at her chest as well. And as I pointed out he used an elaborate Force Bubble defense to stop her from cutting him down instead of just trying to TK her.
4. I meant when he surrendered.
2. It was evidently an important factor.
3. Lightning requires her to block it with her saber instead of cutting him down with her saber. TKing her would require him to penetrate her force defenses, which would seemingly take more energy.
4. I was referring to how Hondo said Dooku cut up some of his men with his lightsaber.
Because Revan's Force Storm doesn't rate compared to the Storm she defended against.
She's one of the most powerful and skiled Sith Lords in history, of course she can do it again. Jesus.
She's already been trained to throw up an instinctive Force shield against attacks, remember?
He wasn't drugged at the time you shitbird, he'd neutralized all but the very dregs. His thinking would be unaffected, as proven by him thinking of a way to get away by detonating the demolition charges.
Wrooooong. Your logic is embarrassing. Anakin and Revan had other options available to them and simply chose not to use it. Dooku would have been shot if he'd have tried to do anything like that since he has no weapon. Bane ONLY had the Force available to him and yet he didn't use it to directly attack Zannah with TK. If he were capable of it, he would have done so. He tries to attack her with lightning directly, but its ineffective so he tries to blow up the ground under her feet. That he resorted to such indirect methods proves that his direct methods wouldn't have worked. Of which TK is one of those methods.
Yes. It was only the very dregs of the drugs that were left and we know it had a marginal effect on his reflexes, so it would have a similar level of effect on his Force abilities.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
1. Well then you wouldn't know, would you?2. It was evidently an important factor.
3. Lightning requires her to block it with her saber instead of cutting him down with her saber. TKing her would require him to penetrate her force defenses, which would seemingly take more energy.
4. I was referring to how Hondo said Dooku cut up some of his men with his lightsaber.
1. Bane specifically says that his mind is "sharp and focused."
2. Yeah, because all he had was the Force and he wasn't even 100% with it.
3. And TK would, according to you, toss her back or stop her. And it didn't take Zannah much energy to penerate his defenses. :V Also Bane was drained from the duel anyway so his actions were evidently quite costly.
4. I've never seen the episode and don't care.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It doesn't need to compare, because Zannah wouldn't be able to replicate the feat surviving such a storm again.
And I said that even if she's capable of a barrier less than half as powerful as the one she used there, she'd still be able to block it. And somehow I think she is. 😬
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
For example in Darth Bane: Path of Destruction, she disintegrates a hand. She never replicated such a feat again, even against weak opponents, besides with the use of tendrils.
I was waiting for you to bring that up, so that I could point out that Zannah consciously blew up her cousins arm. It wasn't entirely a primal or instinctive use of the Force, she screwed up her eyes, concentrated and blew it the hell up.
Either way it's something she can obviously replicate as a much more skilled Sith Lord at the height of her power. I seriously don't see the reasoning behind suggesting she can't even if it was instinctual. Instinctual use of the Force isn't THAT powerful.
Remember that Zannah surprised Bane with the strength of her TK attack on him even at the start of RoT, when she was still a child.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Primal instinct or desperate final acts are not a fair representation of a character's power. Otherwise, Darth Nihilus would have drained the Mandalorian boarding party by the time the boarded,
What the hell does that have to do with anything? And Nihilus didn't drain them because he never even noticed them. They're beneath his notice.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
or Starkiller could have never stood up against Palpatine. She actually used a Force Barrier again in Darth Bane: Rule of Two, but that didn't save her from being knocked to the ground, and then having to "scramble to her feet."
She was hit by a Force attack from Bane. 😬 It's not bad that she failed to fully block an attack from a berserk Bane. That she blocked it even partially is highly impressive and a good feat. And she was only half trained at the time.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Double standards, I see.
Darth Zannah is never even stated to be knowledge of being among the most powerful, unlike Darth Malak, who is not only stated to be among the most powerful, but is compared to the likes of Palpatine, yet you claim he "kind of sucks."
Darth Zannah did do it again, like I said above, but it is not even comparable to her defense against the Force Storm.
Never been stated but undeniably is. She has more raw power than Bane does.
Kind of sucking is a relative term. He can kind of suck and still be one of the most powerful ever, like Maul or something.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What? My memory of it is poor, but she was not even titled "Zannah" yet. She was just a young girl hanging out with Bouncers.
I meant that she's been trained to put up an instinctual barrier by Bane.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Bane could still feel the lingering effects of the drugs in his system. He'd done what he could to burn them away with the fire of the dark side, but the Sith were not as adept as the Jedi at cleansing their systems of impurities. The last dregs of the chemicals would simply have to break down naturally over time. Until then he would be at less than full strength. A fraction slower in thoughts and actions, less adept at wielding the power of the Force...."
And a fraction is by definition a small amount. Bane's thoughts were mildly affected, Bane himself said his mind was sharp and focused.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Darth Bane also had other options a swell, such as lightning which he used, and then he chose not to use telekinesis.
And don't act as if you are on the same intelligence level as someone like Darth Bane to jump to conclusions on why he does or doesn't do something. Also, Darth Bane later manages to send her "wheeling backwards" on page 297.
Except that Bane's lightning was ineffective against her lightsaber defense ad only good for disrupting her footwork. If he truly could have been effective with his TK then it would be utter idiocy not to use that. If a guy has an effective attack yet continues to use an ineffectual one then you don't need to be as smart as Bane to know that that man is a phucking retard.
Looking through the book that phrase never appears so I'm going to need to full quote of him doing that. And I'll point out again that she tossed him into a wall despite him charging up beforehand.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. It is said he is " less adept at wielding the power of the Force." Adept means "very skilled" or "proficient", so he would be "less...[proficient]...at wielding the power of the Force.". The [official] Norway Post uses the term less proficient when describing a number one ranking to a number five ranking. The distance is ultimately enough to make a difference in a fight.
Yes, I know what less adept means, thauk you. And that example is hilariously shitty. All it says is less adept, not how much less adept. Its to vague to be proven to have any more than a marginal effect.
And I said that even if she's capable of a barrier less than half as powerful as the one she used there, she'd still be able to block it.
I was waiting for you to bring that up, so that I could point out that Zannah consciously blew up her cousins arm. It wasn't entirely a primal or instinctive use of the Force, she screwed up her eyes, concentrated and blew it the hell up.
Instinctual use of the Force isn't THAT powerful.
Remember that Zannah surprised Bane with the strength of her TK attack on him even at the start of RoT, when she was still a child.
What the hell does that have to do with anything? And Nihilus didn't drain them because he never even noticed them. They're beneath his notice.
She was hit by a Force attack from Bane. erm It's not bad that she failed to fully block it. And she was only half trained at the time.
Never been stated but undeniably is
I meant that she's been trained to put up an instinctual barrier by Bane.
And a fraction is by definition a small amount. Bane's thoughts were mildly affected
Bane himself said his mind was sharp and focused.
Kind of sucking is a relative term. He can kind of suck and still be one of the most powerful ever, like Maul or something.
If a guy has an effective attack yet continues to use an ineffectual one then you don't need to be as smart as Bane to know that that man is a phucking retard.
Looking through the book that phrase never appears so I'm going to need to full quote of him doing that.
Its to vague to be proven to have any more than a marginal effect.