Originally posted by Insane Titan
yeah he has CCR but no Qbands
It may actually be a better match with the CCR than without it for Vulcan at least. I think that he would lose if Anni had the CCR, and be utterly stomped if Anni didn't have it. Let me explain my reasoning. With the CCR Anni would be able to toss energy around, which would give Vulcan more to lock onto, while without the CCR, he would have less to keep him in the fight, and thus get pummeled with no way to retaliate. I think Anni wins either match.
Originally posted by carver9
No what? You agreed with me in your previous post that Vulcan wins the majority if he doesn't have the rod.
That's not what I said actually. The more power his opponent comes in with the more power he has to use. without much power to latch unto, he becomes less of a threat. It's kind of like placing Magneto in a rubber room.
Originally posted by Stoic
That's not what I said actually. The more power his opponent comes in with the more power he has to use. without much power to latch unto, he becomes less of a threat. It's kind of like placing Magneto in a rubber room.
Annihilus is still a blaster though and Vulcan isn't just about controlling energy from Blasters...He can internally attack him as well via his internal energy. Vulcan options are unlimited.
with the rod anni would be in trouble. at least in theory. with the q-bands he'd be in a LOT of trouble imo. again, in theory at least. the limits of vulcan's control were never really pushed though and his powers changed some. his first couple appearances--he was utterly beastly. but then he lost some of those early powers, seemingly. i'd say his worst chance would be against anni without either the rod or the bands. if anni has something like either energy source, i could see vulcan giving him complete hell and maybe taking some, though i wouldn't say the majority. base anni would be tougher imo.
Originally posted by leonidas
with the rod anni would be in trouble. at least in theory. with the q-bands he'd be in a LOT of trouble imo. again, in theory at least. the limits of vulcan's control were never really pushed though and his powers changed some. his first couple appearances--he was utterly beastly. but then he lost some of those early powers, seemingly. i'd say his worst chance would be against anni without either the rod or the bands. if anni has something like either energy source, i could see vulcan giving him complete hell and maybe taking some, though i wouldn't say the majority. base anni would be tougher imo.
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Annihilus absorbed the q-bands off Quasar. The same guy who Surfer said he was absorbing stars worth of energy off of, and the same Quasar who absorbed Ego's power when it was running through pretty much all of Earth.
Quasar is a far superior energy manipulator than Vulcan. Simply eating him casually kind of goes against Vulcan screwing with him
^i'd disagree with that. vulcan has no natural energy for anni to absorb like quasar did. besides, i think the whole quasar thing was PIS--and you know i do not use that term lightly or often. quasar has FAR too many feats for me to believe his punking by anni was anything but. i see a battle between quasar and vulcan going the same way i see a battle between gl and vulcan going--that is, poorly for the energy guys. the ccr allows for more control of energy. better than vulcan's? probably, which is why i said vulcan would lose most of the time. using the quasar feat though isn't ideal imo. that was a crazy high feat for annihilus, and a retarded low for wendel. i'd still say vulcan could give him hell if he had the rod or bands, and vulcan was also strong and tough enough to go h2h with bolt, if not gladiator, another weird showing......
Meh I was going to type something up in response, but I'll just condense it and talk in general. If nothing else it shows Annihilus dealing with a far better manipulator which kind of shows an immunity to it even without actually absorbing it in the case of Vulcan. And we know Vulcan can get screwed over if too much energy is coming his way.
Havok/Black Bolt examples. Though the Black Bolt example is a little extreme in terms of durability considering what we've seen.
Not sure entirely what Vulcan energy manipulator skills would do either since he can just absorb any energy back into the rod if something happened.
Plus I believe he was about to absorb the Nova Force from Nova too. Hell didn't the CAR help control the Cosmic Cube?
Vulcan is obviously good, but Annihilus doesn't really have exploitable weaknesses for him, and he has a higher feat of energy manipulation as well. Doesn't seem like a good match up for him to me. Though I'm with you on him vs GL's and the like but I don't know I just don't see him accomplishing much vs Annil. Different strokes I guess