Originally posted by carver9
Annihilus is still a blaster though and Vulcan isn't just about controlling energy from Blasters...He can internally attack him as well via his internal energy. Vulcan options are unlimited.
Anni is also a very strong combatant without the CCR. I'd wager that he could take Vulcan out one on one without anything but fists.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Annihilus absorbed the q-bands off Quasar. The same guy who Surfer said he was absorbing stars worth of energy off of, and the same Quasar who absorbed Ego's power when it was running through pretty much all of Earth.Quasar is a far superior energy manipulator than Vulcan. Simply eating him casually kind of goes against Vulcan screwing with him
Well said.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Meh I was going to type something up in response, but I'll just condense it and talk in general. If nothing else it shows Annihilus dealing with a far better manipulator which kind of shows an immunity to it even without actually absorbing it in the case of Vulcan. And we know Vulcan can get screwed over if too much energy is coming his way.Havok/Black Bolt examples. Though the Black Bolt example is a little extreme in terms of durability considering what we've seen.
Not sure entirely what Vulcan energy manipulator skills would do either since he can just absorb any energy back into the rod if something happened.
Plus I believe he was about to absorb the Nova Force from Nova too. Hell didn't the CAR help control the Cosmic Cube?
Vulcan is obviously good, but Annihilus doesn't really have exploitable weaknesses for him, and he has a higher feat of energy manipulation as well. Doesn't seem like a good match up for him to me. Though I'm with you on him vs GL's and the like but I don't know I just don't see him accomplishing much vs Annil. Different strokes I guess
i do get what you're saying, and you may be right. i could see it coming to a tug'o war with the rod, each trying to drain the other's power level. i guess it just depends on who you think could better control the rod. anni doesn't have anything....innate that lets him control the rod iirc. john storm was able to use it wasn't he? so, if it comes down to controlling the rod, it's in vulcan's nature to deal with, while anni has what? lots of practice? it's not like he would drain vulcan's life force i don't think. that's not really historically how he uses the rod. in the past, really all he did was blast with the thing. i could see it as possible that vulcan might be able to wrest control of the rod from annihilus. maybe not all the time, but a couple times anyway. least imo.
Originally posted by leonidas
i do get what you're saying, and you may be right. i could see it coming to a tug'o war with the rod, each trying to drain the other's power level. i guess it just depends on who you think could better control the rod. anni doesn't have anything....innate that lets him control the rod iirc. john storm was able to use it wasn't he? so, if it comes down to controlling the rod, it's in vulcan's nature to deal with, while anni has what? lots of practice? it's not like he would drain vulcan's life force i don't think. that's not really historically how he uses the rod. in the past, really all he did was blast with the thing. i could see it as possible that vulcan might be able to wrest control of the rod from annihilus. maybe not all the time, but a couple times anyway. least imo.
The possessor of the rod is it's master though. I see it coming down to a tug of war as well, but the thing here is that Anni wouldn't be getting tired, while Vulcan would eventually begin to show wear and tear. It wouldn't be Anni wrestling directly, but the rod itself. Meanwhile Anni has a strength advantage, if what we saw during his run in with Nova Prime is any indication to his strength level. He was clearly the dominant combatant IMO (I mean during their first run in when Anni was not stunned by the Galactus wave).
CCR is an energy emitter/absorber.
Quantum Bands are energy projectors, drawing energy from the "Quantum Zone" and using it for various applications.
Vulcan is an omega-level energy manipulator. Many ppl seem to think he's just an energy emitter/absorber like e.g. Bishop or CCR. But nope. Vulcan's powers do not revolve around absorbing/emitting energy, he's waay more versatile than that. He eats energy emitters/absorbers for breakfast. Vulcan doesn't have to have any energy absorbed within himself to be able to function; it is enough if there's energy present somewhere around him. He can control it all. He can TAKE CONTROL of the energy present in energy emitters/absorbers, and use it against its wielders.