Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Weren't they getting hit by those shield leeching tractor beams at the time though?I will confirm for myself though, I'm lucky to have the complete DVD sets 😛
IIRC, This was in initial contact before the fighting began. The Borg stealth’d in a Borg while the Enterprise had her shields up.
Checking Memory Alpha of the ep, it confirms this.
Originally posted by Robtard
Never understood this "blasters, so the Borg can't adapt". There are blaster type weapon in ST as well. Some Klingon disruptors as an example.
Hmm, the Klingon Disrupters are more along the lines of "Vapourise" rather than "Explode", but in the end it really doesn't matter. The Borgs initial adaption methods is to adjust their shields frequency to match the weapons fire, hence why they can't adapt to physical strikes, AKA Kinetic Impact Enegry. However, many believe that the ST Blaster Weapons are not frequency based, but rather DET Plasma Pulse weapons, making them harder to adapt to. That said, they are still energy based weapons, and I believe that, even though it would take longer, eventually the Borg can adapt.
See, there are two ways to deal with the Borg adaption method.
#1: Readjust your output (In Star Trek, this is done by the Feddies by changing the phase variance of their phaser weapons)
#2: Simply pour enough energy from your weapon systems to overwhelm the countermeasure. For example, I do not believe that a Drone could deflect a Super laser blast, no matter how well adapted it is to it, there is only so much power a Drone, or a Cube can carry, and Species 8472 proves it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, the SW ships could potentially enter hyperspace and **** off. But the SW could still initially attack them while at warp. Which is a massive advantage.
Well, that also depends on the circumstances of arrival. Also, one cannot attack realspace objects from warp IIRC.
Originally posted by Robtard
IIRC, This was in initial contact before the fighting began. The Borg stealth’d in a Borg while the Enterprise had her shields up.
Hmm, yes.... I recall now... Pre Voyager Borg were the shizzle.
Originally posted by Robtard
Checking Memory Alpha of the ep, is confirms this.
Hmm, I'll have to run that episode first if I can find it.
Having said that, there seems to be a gigantic difference in power and abilities from pre to post First Contact Borg... Voyager Borg were woefully underpowered compared to NG.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hmm, the Klingon Disrupters are more along the lines of "Vapourise" rather than "Explode", but in the end it really doesn't matter. The Borgs initial adaption methods is to adjust their shields frequency to match the weapons fire, hence why they can't adapt to physical strikes, AKA Kinetic Impact Enegry. However, many believe that the ST Blaster Weapons are not frequency based, but rather DET Plasma Pulse weapons, making them harder to adapt to. That said, they are still energy based weapons, and I believe that, even though it would take longer, eventually the Borg can adapt.See, there are two ways to deal with the Borg adaption method.
#1: Readjust your output (In Star Trek, this is done by the Feddies by changing the phase variance of their phaser weapons)
#2: Simply pour enough energy from your weapon systems to overwhelm the countermeasure. For example, I do not believe that a Drone could deflect a Super laser blast, no matter how well adapted it is to it, there is only so much power a Drone, or a Cube can carry, and Species 8472 proves it.
Well, that also depends on the circumstances of arrival. Also, one cannot attack realspace objects from warp IIRC.
Hmm, yes.... I recall now... Pre Voyager Borg were the shizzle.
Hmm, I'll have to run that episode first if I can find it.
Having said that, there seems to be a gigantic difference in power and abilities from pre to post First Contact Borg... Voyager Borg were woefully underpowered compared to NG.
If you look at the descriptions, they're not all that far off.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Directed_energy_weapon
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blaster
Both are particle weapons, both can use plasma (altered gas) as an energy source. If you follow the various hot-links, the weapons are eerily similar.
ST Warp/FTL allows ships in warp to still interact with real-space. That's why I said it's a huge advantage for the SW side in combat situations, while Hyperdrive is vastly superior in travelling.
The Borg were nerfed for Voyager, otherwise that show would have ended quicker.
Originally posted by ImpedimentStar Wars has a higher number of cool characters but the best character out of both series without a doubt is Into Darkness' Khan.
Star Trek has superior tech and weapons. Also, the Borg could assimilate the Death Star, I bet.Star Wars is still more awesome with better action and characters.
Originally posted by RobtardI have seen the films and won't ever watch the shitty tv series. When Picard got angry in First Contact was laughably bad. Maybe he scared you I just laughed at his portrayal as some angry tough guy.
You'd have to have watched TNG and the TNG films to be able to form an honest opinon of the character. So you're trying too hard again to troll/get attention.
Abramsverse is the way to go when it comes to Trek. Only way to warp.
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Originally posted by StealthRangerThis is about the entire Trek universe not just the alternate universe. I was talking in terms of overall power, intelligence, etc. to compare the two.
How powerful is the Reboot Trek-verse?Unless their ships can slug and tank country busters and unless they have FTL capable of crossing the galaxy in hours and industrial capacity to build a small moon sized battle station in a few years, yeah, Star Wars should be able to blitzkrieg them