Originally posted by Insane Titan
so you just ignore Thanos and Mephistos whole conversation about him acting like he was in danger of losing? And the fact even Iron Man or Spider-Man moved him much?Thor knocked him over that's it and if you think Thor shouting "Thanos must die" is proof lol you need to go read infinity
I'm not ignoring anything. You either misremembered or misinterpreted the conversation. There was no "acting like he was in danger of losing." It was trying to impress Death by giving Thanos a slight chance(0.05%) of losing.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Captain%20Nazi%20exposure/Mephisto
MEPHISTO: "All FEMALE HEARTS, even one as COLD as Death's, are WARMED by the sight of raw courage. Courage as such exhibited in BATTLE." THANOS: "But such bravery only eixsts when one faces the PROSPECT OF DEFEAT. Meeting that STANDARD would require BALANCING the terms of battle so these FOOLS stood a CHANCE OF VICTORY."
THANOS: "That would allow them a .05% CHANCE for victory!" MEPHISTO: "...not the GREATEST ODDS in the universe...but perhaps good enough to IMPRESS Mistress Death."
THANOS: "My DIMINISHED CAPACITY now turns this conflict into a true test of NERVES and BATTLE SKILLS.""
Nothing in those two pages talks about acting like he's in danger of losing, but bringing about a slight chance he could lose. As for Iron Man and Spider-Man "moving him much," these would only be valid if the conversation of Thanos pretending he was losing actually took place. Brush them off as poor showings for Thanos if you want, but they have nothing to do with "pretending to lose."
And I did read INFINITY GAUNTLET. I wasn't referring to Masterson-Thor beating Thanos down in Thanos being hurt, but this happening before.
Thanos is certainly reacting like he's hurt to some degree by Masterson-Thor's punch. Same on the following page when he punches Thanos again. And it happened with Drax and Professor Hulk. Since there was no conversation about pretending he was ever in danger, the most likely thing is Thanos was actually effected, not pretending to be hurt.
So basically we should use one of Thanos' lowest showings ever when he had unlimited power to try and overwrite his average showings?
The guy was basically abstract level at that point. Naturally Thor moving him and "knocking him out" seems right. Much more so than the real Thor causing way less stress to Thanos three different times. Or Masterson accomplishing nothing against basically a half power Thanos...
He was either playing around with them or everyone there had a massive amp.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So basically we should use one of Thanos' lowest showings ever when he had unlimited power to try and overwrite his average showings?The guy was basically abstract level at that point. Naturally Thor moving him and "knocking him out" seems right. Much more so than the real Thor causing way less stress to Thanos three different times.
He was either playing around with them or everyone there had a massive amp.
Did you follow what IT and I were debating or are you just assuming I'm lowballing and saying "Superman wins?"
The best part is Masterson apparently temporarily one-shotting Thanos with a throw and Warlock telling him to kill Thanos with his last blow during the beat down.
That comic gave Thor some love (He was even called the most powerful out of the heroes assembled) but it's more of an outlier and it really shouldn't have that much bearing in this thread. Thanos snaps Superman in half.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You're trying to low ball BT Thor, and alternately Thanos by saying that Masterson did more damage.I'm saying it's a shitty example.
So pointing-out Thor didn't do anything more impressive striking wise after getting the PG than when he had it and giving a comparative example for my argument is lowballing? The only example you could argue that Thor was stronger was his fight with Thanos, which is a circular argument.
Originally posted by Delta1938
So pointing-out Thor didn't do anything more impressive striking wise after getting the PG than when he had it and giving a comparative example for my argument is lowballing? The only example you could argue that Thor was stronger was his fight with Thanos, which is a circular argument.
Are u blue wave rider?
Originally posted by Delta1938When you use one of Thanos' lowest feats in comics to try and prove your point then you bet your ass it's lowballing.
So pointing-out Thor didn't do anything more impressive striking wise after getting the PG than when he had it and giving a comparative example for my argument is lowballing? The only example you could argue that Thor was stronger was his fight with Thanos, which is a circular argument.
And I have no idea what he could have done to show a strength increase you're looking for since he was above them all individually anyway. Did you expect him to start killing them? Thanos was the intended person to show he had an amp. That's what happened, that's how it was shown.
But let's delve deeper into this though. Before the gem he was having trouble with Surfer/Warlock, Beta Ray Bill by himself, Surfer by himself, Maxam/Drax. Ares/Pluto. After he got the gem he ran through a team of Drax, Maxam, Surfer, CLASSIC DR STRANGE OMG, and Adam Warlock. If that doesn't show an notable increase in power I don't know what does. And he one shotted everyone there, except Drax who was two shotted. In fact, after he one shotted Surfer without using a charged hammer throw he felt it wasn't even worth the effort to dispatch him as he was so far beneath him.
Prior to the gem he hit Maxam three times to no real effect. He hit Warlock three times and Warlock was still awake. It took 6 shots to KO Surfer and quite a few of them were charged hammer hits (mind you he KO'ed Surfer in two shots when Surfer just woke up, but that can be attributed to him just getting KO'ed). And the Surfer one is interesting as Surfer was able to fight Thor off at numerous points with strength throughout the fight. After he got the gem none of the herald levels accomplished anything to Thor in strength. Thanos did though.
As well as it made it blatantly clear that Thor received a noticeable amp:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/SS_v3_087_17a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/SS_v3_088_03b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor469-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor469-22.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor470_07_08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor470_10.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor470_13.jpg
Keep in mind this isn't all of it, and this is prior to his Thanos fight as well.
Now, after the Thanos fight, and this should be relevant to the Thanos fight as well as I'll explain it in a second.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/wc01.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/wc05.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/wc06.jpg
The first scan is just talking about his Power Gem. The second Gem however, shows Thor tapping into the Power Gem EVEN in a catatonic state he was growing stronger by the second, and would soon break loose of the containment field. Since he was capable of growing to Odin level (as that's what it took to break the field) while catatonic with the Gem, it would be utterly retarded to assume he wasn't getting a more steady amp and more access to the Gem while not, you know, catatonic.
Simple put, Thor was amped, and he was amped by a decent amount. Trying to use Thanos' lowfeats to lowball BT Thor doesn't work as if we believe Thanos was completely serious in the IG fight, that that puts Masterson Thor above a PG amped real Thor... even forgetting that Thanos had unlimited power at the time. It also puts Masterson Thor above Masterson Thor when he was trading blows with pretty much a half powered Thanos. Because logic.
So we can assume Thanos was just playing with everyone, or we can just say it's Thanos' lowest feat by far. Either way, it's not relevant to what BT Thor did.
So what are we left with exactly?
But let's bring up some more Thor/Thanos fights to farther discount your use of the IG.
Infinity. Real Thor. Pissed off Thor. No real effect.
Celestial Quest. Thanos clone. Real Thor. Hammer throw caused no damage.
Thor v2. Thor with the Belt of Strength and Odinpower hit a Thanos clone three times all out and said Clone was still awake (albeit in bad shape).
Avengers Assemble. Real Thor hitting a weakened Thanos (the fake Cosmic Cube caused a backlash that weakened Thanos) along with pretty much every other Avenger in history failed to come close to KO'ing Thanos. Under Bendis.
MTU. Real Thor and Thing failed to cause any damage to Thanos prior to his Death Powerup.
Blood and Thunder. We've went over that.
Infinity War. Masterson managed to do nothing to Thanos at a lower level (went over this).
But yeah no, your example was completely plausible. Let's use that as proof that BT Thor wasn't amped very much.
Originally posted by Delta1938
MEPHISTO: "All FEMALE HEARTS, even one as COLD as Death's, are WARMED by the sight of raw courage. Courage as such exhibited in BATTLE."
THANOS: "But such bravery only eixsts when one faces the PROSPECT OF DEFEAT. Meeting that STANDARD would require BALANCING the terms of battle so these FOOLS stood a CHANCE OF VICTORY."THANOS: "That would allow them a .05% CHANCE for victory!"
MEPHISTO: "...not the GREATEST ODDS in the universe...but perhaps good enough to IMPRESS Mistress Death."THANOS: "My DIMINISHED CAPACITY now turns this conflict into a true test of NERVES and BATTLE SKILLS."
A) formatting
B) lol are they bros or something, how does this convo even come about
Heh, the butthurt Bran feels is legendary.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The best part is Masterson apparently temporarily one-shotting Thanos with a throw and Warlock telling him to kill Thanos with his last blow during the beat down.That comic gave Thor some love (He was even called the most powerful out of the heroes assembled) but it's more of an outlier and it really shouldn't have that much bearing in this thread. Thanos snaps Superman in half.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, the butthurt Bran feels is legendary.
Superman isn't that pussy Thor. I've argued this topic more than you know and Thanos doesn't has any feats which put him over Superman in strength. Durability wise he is above Superman though.
How? Even you'd have to admit that his casual handling of high heralds place him above an average Clark. He has pimp slapped more top tiers than any other trans character
Originally posted by Sin I AM
How? Even you'd have to admit that his casual handling of high heralds place him above an average Clark. He has pimp slapped more top tiers than any other trans character
But its OK for everybody to ignore Superman's feats and highball Thanos though.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftBut Thanos isn't more than 2x stronger than Thor. Thor was amped but not by much. Certainly no more than 2x as much. Now given time, Thor would be beyond anything.
When you use one of Thanos' lowest feats in comics to try and prove your point then you bet your ass it's lowballing.And I have no idea what he could have done to show a strength increase you're looking for since he was above them all individually anyway. Did you expect him to start killing them? Thanos was the intended person to show he had an amp. That's what happened, that's how it was shown.
Again Thor was amped and it showed. But it wasn't more than 2x. 2x stronger is very noticeable. If Superman was 2x stronger then we would see a huge difference.
But let's delve deeper into this though. Before the gem he was having trouble with Surfer/Warlock, Beta Ray Bill by himself, Surfer by himself, Maxam/Drax. Ares/Pluto. After he got the gem he ran through a team of Drax, Maxam, Surfer, CLASSIC DR STRANGE OMG, and Adam Warlock. If that doesn't show an notable increase in power I don't know what does. And he one shotted everyone there, except Drax who was two shotted. In fact, after he one shotted Surfer without using a charged hammer throw he felt it wasn't even worth the effort to dispatch him as he was so far beneath him.
He one shot Drax before the gem. He hit Drax with the gem and DIDN'T one shot him. Rather he one shot Drax with a blast instead. He one shot Surfer with a hammer throw. But guess what. Thor nearly one shotted Surfer before the gem with a hammer throw. We don't know how he koed Pip though. We can assume.
Wow, you are a liar and troll. He effected Maxam on every hit. He hit Maxam twice, not 3 times. Also people sometimes completely recover in comics after being hit. Comic characters are like cartoons at times. Do you know how comics work?
Prior to the gem he hit Maxam three times to no real effect. He hit Warlock three times and Warlock was still awake. It took 6 shots to KO Surfer and quite a few of them were charged hammer hits (mind you he KO'ed Surfer in two shots when Surfer just woke up, but that can be attributed to him just getting KO'ed). And the Surfer one is interesting as Surfer was able to fight Thor off at numerous points with strength throughout the fight. After he got the gem none of the herald levels accomplished anything to Thor in strength. Thanos did though.
Also, way to ignore the fact that Thor one shot Drax without the gem. You talk about averages for Thanos yet you don't see Thor with the gem getting affected by hits. Please don't get me to posting scans.
Another deception. The scan says "IF".
As well as it made it blatantly clear that Thor received a noticeable amp:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/SS_v3_087_17a.jpg
The scan talks about Potential. He never achieved that potential.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/SS_v3_088_03b.jpg
Yes he had an amp. It wasn't more than 2x as much though. Eventually it would have been more.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor469-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor469-22.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor470_07_08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor470_10.jpg
We know that's a lie since Thor was stopped easily by Thanos. And Odin was about to kill him. And Thor was been affected right and left. Classic case of what is shown is superior to what is said.
Thor tapped into the gem at that moment to reverse the blast. Before and after that Thor wasn't tapping into the gem effectively.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor470_13.jpg
I agree here. But no one is arguable against this. We are simply stating that Thor never shown more than 2x increase in strength in his time with the PG. So Thanos at best fought a 2x Thor.
Keep in mind this isn't all of it, and this is prior to his Thanos fight as well.Now, after the Thanos fight, and this should be relevant to the Thanos fight as well as I'll explain it in a second.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/wc01.jpghttp://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/wc05.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/wc06.jpgThe first scan is just talking about his Power Gem. The second Gem however, shows Thor tapping into the Power Gem EVEN in a catatonic state he was growing stronger by the second, and would soon break loose of the containment field. Since he was capable of growing to Odin level (as that's what it took to break the field) while catatonic with the Gem, it would be utterly retarded to assume he wasn't getting a more steady amp and more access to the Gem while not, you know, catatonic.
Infinity. Real Thor. Pissed off Thor. No real effect.
Celestial Quest. Thanos clone. Real Thor. Hammer throw caused no damage.
Thor v2. Thor with the Belt of Strength and Odinpower hit a Thanos clone three times all out and said Clone was still awake (albeit in bad shape).
Avengers Assemble. Real Thor hitting a weakened Thanos (the fake Cosmic Cube caused a backlash that weakened Thanos) along with pretty much every other Avenger in history failed to come close to KO'ing Thanos. Under Bendis.
MTU. Real Thor and Thing failed to cause any damage to Thanos prior to his Death Powerup.
Blood and Thunder. We've went over that.
Infinity War. Masterson managed to do nothing to Thanos at a lower level (went over this).But yeah no, your example was completely plausible. Let's use that as proof that BT Thor wasn't amped very much.
I've seen all those comics before. So why twist shit? Thor always effected Thanos. Were do you get this dumb ass "caused no damage" from type logic?
That's now how comics worked back in the day. Characters were knocked the phuck out without ANY signs of damage. Face blood wasn't a popular thing in the past. I can say that since Thor caused no disable damage to Juggs without his shield... but that's stupid.
