Originally posted by LordofBrooklynWeakened. He was far more weakened in Galactus the Devourer and he trashed Earth's best easily.
You've done nothing but show how baseless your claims are.Tell me Galactus's state during the fight you are citing.
What did Thor actually DO to show he could stop the combined might of The Lords of Order and Chaos posed by Inza?
Kent Nelson's PHYSICAL STATES put him at class 100. His metaphysical abilities far surpass that level.
Please continue to respond.
Please. 😄
I just told you.
Nowhere near weakened Galactus state. You also didn't prove this made up physical state.
I won't stop. Ever.
The Godblast is a deliberate offensive move. It has never been presented as a quick offensive attack.
Ever.
Inza and Nelson wouldn't be sitting targets for this onslaught. I doubt Thor even gets to that point with Nelson, he most certaintly won't with Inza.
Could you grace us with percentages for each of the 3 matchups?
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynWe see how quickly it can be used like say against Juggernaut. It isn't as slow as you exaggerate it to be.
The Godblast is a deliberate offensive move. It has never been presented as a quick offensive attack.Ever.
Inza and Nelson wouldn't be sitting targets for this onslaught. I doubt Thor even gets to that point with Nelson, he most certaintly won't with Inza.
Could you grace us with percentages for each of the 3 matchups?
Based on ?
Thor wins all three.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Weakened. He was far more weakened in Galactus the Devourer and he trashed Earth's best easily.I just told you.
Nowhere near weakened Galactus state. You also didn't prove this made up physical state.
I won't stop. Ever.
I had no idea you were this ignorant of Dr. Fate and his canon.
You seriously need me to "Prove" that Nelson and Inza are class 100?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Evidence is the name me of the game.
This is a lowlight even for you.
There is a fundamental level of knowledge one should have before entering a debate. You are sorely lacking in this standard regarding Dr. Fate.
I'll get the evidence. After that I'll get evidence that Flash can break the sound barrier and the Hulk can benchpress a tank.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynA Mage using magical means to shield themselves isn't the same as being a true class 100. Strange can be overpowered by Doom henchmen without magic in play.
This is a lowlight even for you.There is a fundamental level of knowledge one should have before entering a debate. You are sorely lacking in this standard regarding Dr. Fate.
I'll get the evidence. After that I'll get evidence that Flash can break the sound barrier and the Hulk can benchpress a tank.
🙂
Here is Beatbok's excellent take on The Dr. Fates in question.
Originally posted by beatboks
In the one and only tale where Kent merged with Inza to enhance his power so that he could defeat the Lord of Order Ynar who was aligned with the Lord of Chaos Vandeamon they two lords of power had warped all reality to be what they wanted it to be. planets ceased to exist as did all life on earth. Only Kent, Inza and their tower were immune to the reality warping because reality warping doesn't affect them. By merging Dr Fate had the power of the Lords of Order, and Chaos as well as the spirit of man (both yin and yang). Once he defeated them and cast them out warping reality back to normal was a pretty casual effort for him.
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/DrFate-forcesbeyonghumanunderstanding.jpg.html?sort=3&o=47
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/DrFatefightstheunkown-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=58
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/DrFate-fightstheunknown2-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=59
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/DrFate-0315-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=66
Those are before he merged with Inza (there was more but basically he could only stalemate the beings who "warped the cosmos".Here is after.
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/KentandInzamerge.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/KentandInzamerged2.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/KentandinzaMerged3.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/KentandInzamerged4.jpg.htmlAs for the "powerset" of Classic fate
powers of the body of Kent Nelson without any magical talismans
These power all stem from alterations Nabu to to Kent on a molecular level
Super strength ( class 100++ easily carries air liners with no strain)
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/AAanohelmetFatestrength.jpg.html?sort=3&o=14Invulnerability ( physically impervious only weakness is a need to breath, immune to all disease and unaffected by magic or reality warping)
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/HalfHelmetfateendurance.jpg.html?sort=3&o=13
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/HalfHelmetFateendurance2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=17
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/halfhelmetDrFteendurance3.jpg.html?sort=3&o=15teachings of Nabu to Kent
As it's told in Kent's origin Nabu taught him long lost secrets that man "would call magic". these includedmolecular control - Kent could control his body on a molecualr level. he could draw energy from anything and use it to his will or even from his own atoms. He could matter manipulate
Flight/levitation - can levitate himself and other objects.
TP mild clairvoyance.
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/All-StarSquadron47-Page9.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/KentNelsonwastaughtageoldsecrets.jpg.html?sort=3&o=87With his artifacts of power he could blast with the energy within his body or move planets at will. Dimensionally manipulate, bend space and time to his will, call on the power of gods, and magic to high order. Traverse the barriers to anywhere (including the after life)
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/TimespaceanddimensionholdnobarriertoDrFate.jpg.html?sort=3&o=24
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/fatemovesaplanet-3.jpg.html?sort=3&o=98
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/DrFategoeswherehewants1-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=61
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/Drfategoeswherehewants2-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=62
Quan's destruction is complete
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynOne showing of lifting a plane isn't definitive proof he is a class 100 being. The rest of the scans are just typical feats that anyone has on their resume. Thor's feats are of higher quality than these so I stand triumphant.
Here is Beatbok's excellent take on The Dr. Fates in question.Quan's destruction is complete
Also send beatboks in since you can't debate for yourself and instead steal others hard work.
Originally posted by quanchi112
One showing of lifting a plane isn't definitive proof he is a class 100 being. The rest of the scans are just typical feats that anyone has on their resume. Thor's feats are of higher quality than these so I stand triumphant.Also send beatboks in since you can't debate for yourself and instead steal others hard work.
The scans are rendered illegitimate because I didn't post them originally?
You are flailing badly here.
There ARE Lots of showings. Pick up a JSA comic from with Dr. Fate featured in the 90's and 00's and you can see them.
You have no idea what you're talking about and yet you continue to argue. I'm not complaining, please continue as I find it entertaining.
The point with Nelson is that he can withstand Thor's physical attacks and launch his own. The mystical power he posseses trumps Thor's and in combination with his class 100 abilities it puts him over the top.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynWhen did I say they didn't count ? I just said you steal others work. I also said these feats pale in comparison to Thor's best and one plane carry doesn't make a character a class 100.
The scans are rendered illegitimate because I didn't post them originally?You are flailing badly here.
There ARE Lots of showings. Pick up a JSA comic from with Dr. Fate featured in the 90's and 00's and you can see them.
You have no idea what you're talking about and yet you continue to argue. I'm not complaining, please continue as I find it entertaining.
The point with Nelson is that he can withstand Thor's physical attacks and launch his own. The mystical power he posseses trumps Thor's and in combination with his class 100 abilities it puts him over the top.
I read many issues of the jsa. Thor takes his soul like he did with Loki, god blasts him, or Duroks him without his hammer. Take your pick.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When did I say they didn't count ? I just said you steal others work. I also said these feats pale in comparison to Thor's best and one plane carry doesn't make a character a class 100.I read many issues of the jsa. Thor takes his soul like he did with Loki, god blasts him, or Duroks him without his hammer. Take your pick.
How am I "Stealing" his work when I acknowledge him fully and also posted his scans in context?
Every scan that someone posts that doesn't originate from them is stealing?
Your inability to reason truly knows no bounds. 😂
He is not taking the soul of ANY Lord of Order or Chaos. Much less Inza Fate and Nelson as powered by Nabu.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynYou copy and pasted his scans and his reasoning.
How am I "Stealing" his work when I acknowledge him fully and also posted his scans in context?Every scan that someone posts that doesn't originate from them is stealing?
Your inability to reason truly knows no bounds. 😂
He is not taking the soul of ANY Lord of Order or Chaos. Much less Inza Fate and Nelson as powered by Nabu.
You copied his entire post.
How am I not using reason ? Thor has far greater feats. When has Fate resisted a soul stealing attack ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
You copy and pasted his scans and his reasoning.You copied his entire post.
How am I not using reason ? Thor has far greater feats. When has Fate resisted a soul stealing attack ?
I copied it to give full credit in context.
I could've taken the scans and not done so.
Thor has greater feats than the ones shown in the STOLEN scans by Inza Fate?
Thor doesn't have greater feats than Nelson fate?
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynYou can't debate for yourself IMO but regardless I have debated the post all the same.
I copied it to give full credit in context.I could've taken the scans and not done so.
Thor has greater feats than the ones shown in the STOLEN scans by Inza Fate?
Thor doesn't have greater feats than Nelson fate?
Yes.
Yes, he does.
