Originally posted by LordofBrooklynI just referenced two examples. Pm beatboks. I will wait for him to respond since you cannot.
I made all of the points prior to posting Beatboks scans and commentary.Your blatant ignorance and desperation required "EVIDENCE" of what even the most casual Dr. Fate already knows.
When I debate it is a case of going from victory to victory!
Originally posted by Golgo13
Is that the Fate you're using? Hector would be enough.
I could use any Fate as Quan's ignorance won't allow him to know the difference. 😄
Thor can't beat the Fate's in question. If Rage, Celeygha, Damborgson or some other wrecthed Thorbags come in with substance that will prove interesting.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I had no idea you were this ignorant of Dr. Fate and his canon.You seriously need me to "Prove" that Nelson and Inza are class 100?
Whilst kent is his wife Inza isn't class 100, nothing anywhere supports that.
Pre COIE Kent's origin was that as a boy his father was killed and Nabu trained trained him how to control his own molecules, and levitate himself and other objects plus in the ways of magic ( or in nabu's words what men would call magic). He then once trained gave him the Helm of nabu before Kent went out into the world. post COIE he aged kent from a boy to a man and altered his molecular structure in the process to make him strong and impervious.
In the original run of Dr fate in More fun Comics and All star comics in the GA he possessed the helm from may 1940 until around Sept' 1941. At which point he only had the half helm he made to replace it that had no magic power. So for most of the GA he was your basic flying brick like Superman with the odd energy manip feat. During this time according to the pages of All Star Squadron/ Young All Stars he could only use magic while in places of pwoer like his Salem Tower, Stone henge, easter Island etc. This was contradicted by a SA story where Khalis obtained the Amulet of Anubis that Fate wears around his neck and showed that with it he could match magical power with Fate while wearing the helm of Nabu. The only explanation ever given for him not having used this power was that he was unaware of it because nabu had kept it from him to protect the talisman.
There are multiple instances referring to the half Helmet GA fate being Invulnerable and super strong. To name a few.
In All Star Squadron #4 when he Superman, Alan Scot, WW are controlled by the Holy grail and fighting their team mates for the Axis forces Hawkman refers to the fact that even though Dr fate lost his magic he is still invulnerable
In All Star Squadron #18 Fate flies straight through several Japanese ships in Brainwaves dream scape to sink them. A feat he nkows is within his caopability.
In All Star squadron 22 he tanks the nuclear blasts of Cyclotron and his ability to alter the molecular structure of anything except apparently Dr fate (something Cyclotron himself was surprised by) int he same issue Cyclotron drops a few story building on Fate's head with no more effect than putting a small tear in his costume.
I could go and pull a few of my more fun comics and list many more but it's not really necessary.
These same metamorphosis was done to Erik Straus Fate post COIE in the first mini of 1986, and to Hector in early Goyer JSA but never to Linda Straus or Iza straus when they took on the role or Kent V. There was also an instance of NUbu fusing his power into the body of the reluctant Jarred Stephens (hens why he was a super brick only). Both the women versions of Fate however have zero feats of strength or physical durability and have never undergone such a transformation. These only belong to the male versions.
In terms of offensive capability Inza was in fact by far the weakest. It was shown that her blasts for example hardly even bothered Lords of order etc. She was however the most creative and the most powerful in that regard but did rely completely on magic where Kent her Husband didn't.
I'm not going to be drawn into who takes this because Thor is one of my Favorite Marvel characters ( along with Hellstrom, DD, IF, and Black knight, Justice - MNU) and Fate is one of my fav DC ( Alan Scot, Starman, Johnny Quick, Question). There are arguments that can be made for either side. I'll admit Thor has to act out of character and go to Miljnor faster than he normally would to secure the win.
This can really go either way depending on the way the plot unfolds.