Originally posted by riv6672
The Hammer pretty much just focuses his natural abilities and grants him flight. Plus, he gets to hit things with it, which is cool.
He still beats GR without it.
No he doesn't. Without mjolnir he's at a serious disadvantage power wise. A competent Rider (Ketch or Blaze) annihilates him. Not sure about the female or the new guy
Also, on the Thor without Hammer not being an issue tip, Mjolnir doesn't just provide a focus for his inherent abilities, it also grants him abilities like matter manipulation, the ability to open portals, energy manipulations, erecting forcefields, etc. Taking away Mjolnir takes away a great deal of Thor's offensive abilities, and practically all of his defensive abilities beyond his natural damage soak and durability. Ghostrider could likely just barrage him with intensr hellfire and take him out without his ability to deflect it with Mjolnir.
Originally posted by carver9
They just fought and Ghost Rider was winning. Thor had the Avengers backing him. Ghost wins. Can't remember if Ghost Rider was amped or not by Mojo.
Yes Ghost Rider seemed to be winning but:
- That was Zarathos, not Ghost Rider with a host.
- It's power was increasing enormously due not only to the Sins of the Avengers but because Mojo World was a planet full of unimaginable Sin or whatever*
*I've never seen Ghost Rider or the Spirit of Vengeance feeding on Sin but Mojo said he augmented the Supernatural Avengers (Including Ghost Rider). Not sure if it's an artificial upgrade or just a random plot power up from Remender.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Also, on the Thor without Hammer not being an issue tip, Mjolnir doesn't just provide a focus for his inherent abilities, it also grants him abilities like matter manipulation, the ability to open portals, energy manipulations, erecting forcefields, etc. Taking away Mjolnir takes away a great deal of Thor's offensive abilities, and practically all of his defensive abilities beyond his natural damage soak and durability. Ghostrider could likely just barrage him with intensr hellfire and take him out without his ability to deflect it with Mjolnir.
Thor has shown the ability to do those things iirc but that was decades ago and one time showings
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Ghostrider could likely just barrage him with intensr hellfire and take him out without his ability to deflect it with Mjolnir.
Thor's resistance to extremes, even hellfire, can be pretty damn crazy.
There's more showings against even more powerful beings (Mephisto, Surtur, Pluto etc.) but that's a cool scene so whatever.
In regards to this fight, it depends. Thor can crush Ghost Rider but if Blaze goes all-out his regeneration (Depending on the writer anyways) is pretty much unlimited.
Enough damage can take him out obviously, so Thor can probably take him out with a lightning bolt and so on but that's an extreme.
I guess Ghost Rider could possibly wear Thor down but I have a hard time seeing him doing so.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's resistance to extremes, even hellfire, can be pretty damn crazy.There's more showings against even more powerful beings (Mephisto, Surtur, Pluto etc.) but that's a cool scene so whatever.
In regards to this fight, it depends. Thor can crush Ghost Rider but if Blaze goes all-out his regeneration (Depending on the writer anyways) is pretty much unlimited.
Enough damage can take him out obviously, so Thor can probably take him out with a lightning bolt and so on but that's an extreme.
I guess Ghost Rider could possibly wear Thor down but I have a hard time seeing him doing so.
Hmm...
Kinda looks like in that first panel that Thor sticks Mjolnir out into the path of the incoming eye blast of hellfire, but this isn't really a point (or topic) I want to nitpick, so meh.
And in the other scene Thor catches Mjolnir in his hand, Ghost Rider and his bike slammed into Thor using Mjolnir's inertia.
Still taking Ghost Rider with a Mjolnir-less Thor.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Hmm...Kinda looks like in that first panel that Thor sticks Mjolnir out into the path of the incoming eye blast of hellfire, but this isn't really a point (or topic) I want to nitpick, so meh.
And in the other scene Thor catches Mjolnir in his hand, Ghost Rider and his bike slammed into Thor using Mjolnir's inertia.
Still taking Ghost Rider with a Mjolnir-less Thor.
i thought the same, and i agree. i'd take gr in this.