Thor with no hammer vs Ghost Rider

I'd also like to add that, regardless of any evidence that is provided from this point forward, I'll maintain that Ghost Rider wins simply because it'll piss off Rage.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Hmm...

Kinda looks like in that first panel that Thor sticks Mjolnir out into the path of the incoming eye blast of hellfire, but this isn't really a point (or topic) I want to nitpick, so meh.

And in the other scene Thor catches Mjolnir in his hand, Ghost Rider and his bike slammed into Thor using Mjolnir's inertia.

Still taking Ghost Rider with a Mjolnir-less Thor.

I can see what you mean but the Hell-Fire engulfed his entire body and he ended up walking through it....

I mean, it's outright said by Thor that the Hell-Fire is so useless so the intent of the scene should be clear.

Why? Ghost Rider would often lose if not outright get crushed. If you take him at his best, sure he probably wins, but then you have to take Thor at his best.....

Also:

Originally posted by riv6672
The Hammer pretty much just focuses his natural abilities and grants him flight. Plus, he gets to hit things with it, which is cool.
He still beats GR without it.

If that's all it did, it never would have powered up BRB.

Originally posted by cdtm
If that's all it did, it never would have powered up BRB.

Bill became a lot more powerful with Stormbreaker/Mjolnir but Thor is not Bill.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bill became a lot more powerful with Stormbreaker/Mjolnir but Thor is not Bill.

Yeah, but just saying if Mjolnir was only good as a focus medium, it never would have powered up Bill.

We've seen it power up others, too.

Simonson did mention that the powering up effect doesn't stack, though. Like, if Bill was 90% of Thor without the hammer, he'd be 100% with it, and no more then that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I can see what you mean but the Hell-Fire engulfed his entire body and he ended up walking through it....

I mean, it's outright said by Thor that the Hell-Fire is so useless so the intent of the scene should be clear.

Why? Ghost Rider would often lose if not outright get crushed. If you take him at his best, sure he probably wins, but then you have to take Thor at his best.....

Also:

What is Thor's best showing without Mjolnir in his possession?

Off the top of my mind, probably killing Durok

I generally think of thor without mjolnir as meh, in Asgard everyone but Odin is portrayed as a warrior who depends on a weapon and is is else's without it.

Nevertheless no ghost rider should by rights beat Thor. Gr should be a nuisance at best

Originally posted by safado
I generally think of thor without mjolnir as meh, in Asgard everyone but Odin is portrayed as a warrior who depends on a weapon and is is else's without it.

Lol.

Can you tell that he's a Superman fan?

Ghost Rider does win though. I can't remember the last time a top tier beating him.

👆

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol.

Can you tell that he's a Superman fan?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ghost Rider does win though. I can't remember the last time a top tier beating him.

👆

Possessed Daredevil. 😈

Originally posted by cdtm
Possessed Daredevil. 😈

schmoll

Originally posted by MF DELPH
What is Thor's best showing without Mjolnir in his possession?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Off the top of my mind, probably killing Durok

Bingo. Thor is still a class 100 guy without the hammer.

Originally posted by carver9
They just fought and Ghost Rider was winning. Thor had the Avengers backing him. Ghost wins. Can't remember if Ghost Rider was amped or not by Mojo.

give thor the hammer and GR can still pull wins... penance stare for the ma ****in win

If Thor doesnt think he's done anything wrong, the penance stare wont do anything.
The stare was used on Punisher to no effect.

But in character/canon we know Thor has doubts and guilt about many of his past actions. As a matter of fact, he was such a dick at one point that Odin banished him from Asgard and turned him into Donald Blake to teach him humility in order for Thor to redeem himself. When Thor reaches his Avengers Era age I think the Penance Stare would work on him because he himself feels remorse for the actions of his past. When he was Prince Thor (Pre-Mjolnir Early 20s Thor) I think he probably was in the mindset that all his actions were justified by virtue of him being a God and a Warrior, so anything would go.

Anyway, Current Thor certainly thinks he's had wrongdoing in his past.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
But in character/canon we know Thor has doubts and guilt about many of his past actions. As a matter of fact, he was such a dick at one point that Odin banished him from Asgard and turned him into Donald Blake to teach him humility in order for Thor to redeem himself. When Thor reaches his Avengers Era age I think the Penance Stare would work on him because he himself feels remorse for the actions of his past. When he was Prince Thor (Pre-Mjolnir Early 20s Thor) I think he probably was in the mindset that all his actions were justified by virtue of him being a God and a Warrior, so anything would go.

Anyway, Current Thor certainly thinks he's had wrongdoing in his past.

agreed as many wars as he has waged there has to be some of that in there some where it would certainly work.

Fact is some people are immune. I'm thinking Thor, a noble warrior god, has a good chance of being so.