KMC Mid-Herald Belt Battlezone: Abhilegend vs Smurph

The Super-Clone

I haven't addressed the presence of Superman's clone in my replied thus far because there is still zero evidence that he would exist. More to the point though, if Abhi is trying to make Eradicator split his 'programming' to make two Eradicator-occupied bodies on the field, it's duplication.

So, after creating the clone body of Superman Eradicator transfers a portion of its own program into the clone body to control it.

5. No duplication

It's not an independently acting construct, it's creating a second body for Eradicator and then doubling the Eradicator presence on the field, even if the two bodies have different power sets. We can get a host ruling on it if Abhi would like.

However, again, I still don't believe the plan is remotely feasible and so, in the absence of a host ruling, I'm going to explain why that is:

I wrote that Abhi was missing two components that were present to repeat Eradicator's previous feat of creating a Kryptonian clone:

a) A host to occupy the body
b) the 30 years of stored energy inside Clark's body

Further, should a body be created, it would be missing two essential parts of Superman:

c) A body capable of absorbing sunlight
d) Superman's memories

Abhi avoided effectively replying to any of these points:

[list][*]a)

You must've never seen the fortress Eradicator fighting David Conner. Or maybe this never happened too?

http://i.imgur.com/NjOwGtb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/B2433A7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TJbeFQb.jpg

Kem-L persona of Eradicator creates a whole new body for himself, just like he does it here from a mere piece of Fortress material.

http://i.imgur.com/8oqKdj9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GsPT3DC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ws1vKn8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FGdiH4O.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ujkIdkz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KqOoBqn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dHOcOAe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CrblxTg.jpg

And yeah, David Conner was shown in the same issue.

http://i.imgur.com/Vg3yAaX.jpg

I'm sorry, but that was a laughable rebuttal.

Scans of multiple Eradicators existing at the same point in time: one bonded with David Connor, the other with the Fortress. No scan of an Eradicator creating a second body for itself and living as the host in both. Note that the Kem-L persona lived through fortress technology, did not create a 'whole new body for himself' (he attacked Clark mentally from the tech and was destroyed when the figure was destroyed), and falls under the 'the other with the Fortress' category of Eradicator identities.

No scan showing that Eradicator is even capable of willfully splitting his identity into two bodies. This only happened in the comics because: Superman forcefully dispersed Eradicator, some of the energy would go on to be dormant until bonding with David Connor (not existing on its own), some would go on to bond with Fortress tech (after being reassembled by Fortress tech).

[*]b)

I'm sorry, being powerless doesn't mean he can't do it when he is powered by the ****ing sun itself. He isn't an energy ghost in Krypton Man's persona. He has the access to sun's core itself.

However, we do know that it doesn't matter because of c)

[*]c)

Because Eradicator was amnesiac. When he created a body for himself while fully powerful and had full memory, he could effortlessly channel sun.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777282/createsclone.JPG.html

More indication that this isn't even possible.

And the kryptonians he created could do that too.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780888/transformplanetb13_2.jpg.html

http://i.imgur.com/eH2CFer.jpg

THIS is specifically why I referenced the wikipedia article, because the amount with which Abhi is trying to pull the wool over judges' eyes is ridiculous. At least the wiki article lays out the Eradicator history plain for everybody to see. I have provided scans for all my points regarding the Eradicator identity crisis, but wikipedia serves as a separate document that provides a timeline for all this stuff.

Anyways, the scan has nothing to do with Krypton Man, could employ shitloads of outside tech that Eradicator doesn't have here, and, perhaps most importantly, gives no timeline. We have no idea if Eradicator can create a kryptonian body in 5 minutes, which is all he has here for prep.

[*]d)

Then its good that Eradicator has all the memories of Superman stored in it? When it mindlinked Cleric and Superman. it stored all the memories and transferred it to Cleric.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777851/linksminds.jpg.html

Even if it could be backed up by other evidence, that would only store Superman's memories until 1989. So please stop using scans from the last two and a half decades.

Finally, I'll stress again, Krypton Man's circuitry and programming was destroyed in the sun. Provide proof that Krypton Man hold's all of Superman's memories or we'll assume that anything he did remember was lost when he had his 'unique rebirth'.
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Telekinesis and the Eradicator

To reiterate:

Previous to his telekinesis being God-like, Cable proved he could manipulate energy forms:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img444/4773/redirectblast.jpg*

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img528/2407/lansky6.jpg

Then his telekinesis became mega powerful

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img201/218/containmissiles2.jpg

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/275/cablesmash2.jpg

*For this feat, Sinister had temporarily removed his TO virus, which is the same reason he became so powerful in his God-like persona. He didn't show anything close to the same level of power, but did move this energy beam, which is totally transferrable.

(for what it's worth, it might have been totally inherent in his atomic-restructuring feats that he could manipulate energy, but I'm glad to have even pre-messiah Cable scans back up the feat).

The plan still stands: Cable wills Eradicator's body sundered, and it becomes sundered. Much like how Superman beat Krypton Man in the first place, by scattering his energy to the wind.

Abhi's defence:

Krypton Man stood up to punches from Superman

Fine, I'll just continuously apply the same energy that it took to levitate Providence or break Surfer's board, and beat the hell out of Krypton Man. I have telekinesis and can apply this attack at all angles, from any distance, however I want, for as long as I want.

ALSO: Krypton Man's physical durability against Superman has nothing to do with Krypton Man's durability while intangible, as he is in this match. We know that Krypton Man refers to his own body and all its variations as malleable and so durability from a solid Krypton Man means nothing to an intangible one.

Originally posted by Existere
We're getting into the real quote war part of the debate. I'm gonna try and keep arguments grouped thematically so our thoughts are easier to follow, sorry judges if I'm jumping around a bit.

[b]Telepathy, T-Vo (Again!)

The telepathy debate is starting to become extremely circular, which is an indication to me that Abhi can't tackle any of the points raised. I've offered significant evidence and reason to doubt that Krypton Man ever had T-Vo, and Abhi has stuck his fingers in his ears and shouted "Nah!", probably because trying to sneak T-Vo in was Abhi's entire reason for drafting this character.

I've then pointed out that Eradicator's ONLY T-Vo feats are:

a) edging out Superman, who he calls an amateur

b) later getting fooled by Superman's illusion via T-Vo

The only way that a) becomes impressive is if we apply ABC logic, and I'm happy to point out how silly that is, later in this post. In the meantime, appreciate that Abhilegend defends ABC logic with fervor because it's the resting point of his entire mental defense.

I'm going to tackle the only new points that Abhi has raised in response, and then move on from the telepathy discussion. If Abhi is unwilling to either respond to my post, bring new evidence, or concede defeat, then I'm happy to let the judges decide from here.

[/b] Where in that scan does Cable say he can't detect Lightmaster's thoughts? He wasn't shielded and he was suckerpunched, and says "good move". That's all you've got here. Notably, he was still fine.

I want to bring up the second time Abhi references Cable's fight with Lightmaster, even though it's off the topic of telepathy and onto the topic of telekinesis vs. energy beings, so bear with me while I jump ahead a bit:

As this debate has progressed, my opponent has gone from giving me empty condescension to outright vitriol, and mostly I don't mind because it's a KMC Belt Battle (that he's losing), but it's really annoying to be called a liar.

Here's the whole fight:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img28/5841/lansky.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img818/8033/lansky2.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img811/5803/lansky3.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img72/8145/lansky4.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img12/9646/lansky5.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img528/2407/lansky6.jpg

Here's what I said about it:

Here, he control's Lightmaster's body as well, manipulating the photons as he chooses (for context, he uses Lightmaster to convert a virus into photons and transmit it around the world, to turn everybody pink... it's a lil weird)

That part never happened. He never manipulated photons and neither did he transmit it on his own. So yeah, you lied about the context.

All that I said was that Cable manipulated Lightmaster's energy form (as Abhi pointed out, Lightmaster is an energy form whose 'mental patters have been converted to pure light!'😉, and he did.

http://i.imgur.com/1p6T1dr.jpg

In the last scan, the same one I provided earlier, Lightmaster can't control his movement, and Cable, with a smile, telekinetically directs him into the machine.

Then I provided context to attempt to explain that it was Cable directing him into the machine, because I was worried that it was otherwise unclear what was going on. I also thought that Cable turning the world pink was lolz. Judges, I am sorry if this was not clear, or if it seemed that I was implying anything more than Cable's ability to move Lightmaster's energy form against his will.

And you never mentioned a machine *at all*.

Abhilegend has taken my statement to indicate that Cable controlled Lightmaster's ability to transmit the virus into photons, and send it around the world, and then called me a liar.

manipulating the photons as he chooses (for context, he uses Lightmaster to convert a virus into photons and transmit it around the world, to turn everybody pink... it's a lil weird)

Tell us more where you mentioned a machine.

I don't care if Cable did that, or could do that, because it doesn't help my case. The only thing I need to prove is that Cable can control Lightmaster's body with telekinesis, and that Lightmaster takes an energy form when he travels as photons at lightspeed. If I can prove that - and I did - then I can prove that Cable can affect Krypton Man with telekinesis because Krypton Man is also an energy form.

Incidentally, I'm happy that Abhi has both conceded that Lightmaster is an energy form rather unequivocally

Because it makes my end of the debate a lot easier 🙂

Ok, now let's get back to Lightmaster and telepathy.

Does anybody remember when Storm fans would say that she was resistant or immune to telepathy because she had lightning in her brain?

That's what you sound like right now.

Nowhere in the scan does it say that Cable can't detect his thoughts. And Abhi, I KNOW you've read the whole right (see: referring to it, calling me a liar), so I also know that you are aware that Cable tricked Lightmaster into attacking him so he could redirect Lightmaster into turning the world pink. We both know that Cable was aware of Lightmaster the entire time, and knew all along that he was a member of the One World Church.

Judges, you should also know this, because Abhi and I have both posted the scans to prove it. Here it is again:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img12/9646/lansky5.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img528/2407/lansky6.jpg

So, there is no indication that Cable could not enter his mind and, in fact, every indication that Cable knew all along Lightmaster's every move - note how he can track him psionically, knowing even that Lightmaster is going to arrive slightly earlier than predicted:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img72/8145/lansky4.jpg

On an aside, it's hilarious that I get called a liar after Abhi deliberately provides one scan in order to misrepresent the exact same fight. Battlezones bring out an ugliness I guess. [/B]

Stubborn to the very end, eh? We'll see about that.

Originally posted by Existere
Alright, other stuff that Abhi said about telepathy:

"Understand, Kal-El, that your sun's intense heat did melt my shell and circuitry.

Yet the essence of my energies continued to exist. [b]After a time my proficiency in controlling my nebulous energies increased-- and my fusion with the sun's core resulted in a unique rebirth"

You keep using that scan as if it will help you, when all it has done is proven:

a) Krypton Man is unique when compared to the other Eradicators, missing components (circuitry, programming), possessing others (suns energy)

facepalm

b) Krypton Man took time to put his body together

Tell me Abhi, do you know how long that process took? At best the scan might be proof that when Cable shatters Krypton Man and sends his essence/atoms/whatever flying across the battlefield, he may eventually put himself back together... but we have no proof that it would be in instants, which means a forum win for Cable.

Although, knowing that the Fortress robots had to reassemble Eradicator after Krypton Man's energy body was dispersed is probably proof enough that you are, once again, full of it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777801/kryptonmanvssuperman_20.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777802/kryptonmanvssuperman_21.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777804/kryptonmanvssuperman_22.jpg.html

a) Krypton Man has no circuitry or programming; not a machine

b) Cassandra Nova and Shadow King (lacking real bodies), Apocalypse (bonded with technology) and the whole Authority team (using radio telepathy) all lead me to believe that you don't need a human brain to have a mind capable of telepathy, telepathic combat or getting f*cking psiblasted.

c) Proof of anything that you're saying?

d) Krypton Man HAS telepathy. Stop telling me his mind can't be detected or he's immune to telepathic attack, he has actual telepathy

You just posted an image of Superman using super-hypnosis on Eradicator. Once again:

a) Not Krypton Man
b) A decade after Krypton Man
c) Further proof that Eradicator is not > Superman with T-Vo (but we'll get to that in a moment)

Onus of proof is on you, my friend, to show that Krypton Man ever used T-Vo. No, a part of the Eradicator essence that lived in Fortress computers for a decade and then attacked Superman via fortress machinery is not Krypton Man.

Superman, Krypton Man, other Eradicator(s) and the use of ABC logic

Mhm.

Did you know that Spider-Man beat Firelord once? And Vulture has definitely taken it to Spider-Man at least once.

I guess I'll draft Vulture for my next mid-herald character.

Ooh, here's another one:

Dominus is supposed to be a multiversal mind right? But that multiversal mind lost to Superman with T-Vo, and I know Superman is a total amateur because Eradicator, a mid-herald character made Superman look bad... so I think any mid herald could outwill Dominus.

And God's will. That too.

Seriously though: ABC logic is all about spinning high feats against low feats to try and make one character look far superior without any other proof to support that conclusion. Superman beat Dominus and God's will with T-Vo (high feat), then seriously struggled against Eradicator with T-Vo (low feat) so therefore Eradicator could chump Spectre.

Right!?

Meanwhile, let's toss out that Eradicator got chumped by Superman's T-Vo illusion, let's forget that he has zero other T-Vo feats to reference, and that his only other telepathic feats at all include connecting telepathically with Superman and mindwiping some no-name feeb civilian.

A less powerful Eradicator brainwashes Matrix.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16774980/brainwashedmatrix.jpg.html

Mindwipes Superman of its existence.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777098/constructvssuperman_5.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777105/constructvssuperman_6.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777146/constructvssuperman_7.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777177/constructvssuperman_8.jpg.html

Casually kicks Maxima out of Superman's mind.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780817/overpowersmaxima_1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780820/overpowersmaxima_2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780825/overpowersmaxima_3.jpg.html

And it was referenced that even Darkseid had failed to control Superman while Eradicator controlled him for weeks.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777238/constructvssuperman_29.jpg.html

So, no. Eradicator isn't without its TP feats.

(Although, at least those last two feats belong to the Eradicator that you drafted, and not an Eradicator from the future with a different body, name and powerset).

You heard it here first, folks. Spectre is fodder for amateur telepaths.

But that's just it, you don't get to use Dominus' feats, just like I don't get X-Man's.

Cable ionized a planet telepathically. The weight of Cable's mind made Emma believe her shields were barely holding up, despite the fact that she had cerebra and Cable was directing zero attention towards the X-Men... and when Cable wanted to, he pierced those shields with ease. He filtered through the thoughts of the entire world, and manipulated their emotions and pain and responded to thoughts of murder, impending traffic accidents and would-be terrorist attacks.

Continued....

Cable ionized a planet telepathically. The weight of Cable's mind made Emma believe her shields were barely holding up, despite the fact that she had cerebra and Cable was directing zero attention towards the X-Men... and when Cable wanted to, he pierced those shields with ease. He filtered through the thoughts of the entire world, and manipulated their emotions and pain and responded to thoughts of murder, impending traffic accidents and would-be terrorist attacks.

Those are my feats of power. Now I can point to Cable, with almost no telepathic power, using that power to put down Cannonball, Colossus and others, because it indicates precision and versatility. I can point to him teaching the finer points of psi combat to a young Nate Grey, and standing up against Jean, Xavier and others, because we get a context for combat ability.

Really, that other stuff is just icing on the cake though. I can ultimately just say: Cable's huge, Emma Frost-breaking telepathic mind brings all its psi-weight to bear on Krypton Man's noggin.

We have no feat of Krypton Man channelling Dominus' multiversal information, because he didn't do it. Clark did, and Krypton Man, no matter how much you would like Abhi, doesn't get Clark's feats.

So Krypton Man's mind gets flattened. [/B]

Originally posted by Existere
[b]The Super-Clone

I haven't addressed the presence of Superman's clone in my replied thus far because there is still zero evidence that he would exist. More to the point though, if Abhi is trying to make Eradicator split his 'programming' to make two Eradicator-occupied bodies on the field, it's duplication.

It's not an independently acting construct, it's creating a second body for Eradicator and then doubling the Eradicator presence on the field, even if the two bodies have different power sets. We can get a host ruling on it if Abhi would like.

However, again, I still don't believe the plan is remotely feasible and so, in the absence of a host ruling, I'm going to explain why that is:

I wrote that Abhi was missing two components that were present to repeat Eradicator's previous feat of creating a Kryptonian clone:

a) A host to occupy the body
b) the 30 years of stored energy inside Clark's body

I did create a host body.

That was because Eradicator was depowered. He isn't depowered here.

Further, should a body be created, it would be missing two essential parts of Superman:

c) A body capable of absorbing sunlight
d) Superman's memories

Eradicator has all of Superman's memories due to mindlinking it to the Cleric.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777851/linksminds.jpg.html

That's a three issue long mindlink. if you want, I could post the whole sequence.

Abhi avoided effectively replying to any of these points:

🙄

[list][*]a)

Scans of multiple Eradicators existing at the same point in time: one bonded with David Connor, the other with the Fortress. No scan of an Eradicator creating a second body for itself and living as the host in both. Note that the Kem-L persona lived through fortress technology, did not create a 'whole new body for himself' (he attacked Clark mentally from the tech and was destroyed when the figure was destroyed), and falls under the 'the other with the Fortress' category of Eradicator identities.

No scan showing that Eradicator is even capable of willfully splitting his identity into two bodies. This only happened in the comics because: Superman forcefully dispersed Eradicator, some of the energy would go on to be dormant until bonding with David Connor (not existing on its own), some would go on to bond with Fortress tech (after being reassembled by Fortress tech).

So you don't actually read these?

http://i.imgur.com/NjOwGtb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/B2433A7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TJbeFQb.jpg

A part of Eradicator after David Conner threw away the programming, explicitly created another body in instants.

[*]b)

Maybe he has the energy required to do this because Krypton Man can channel the sun's energy - we don't know, because he's never done this before (see: once again, not Krypton Man's feat).

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16775003/channelsun_1.jpg.html

However, we do know that it doesn't matter because of c)

[*]c)

Maybe, but the scan shows he needed a matrix within the fortress to make that change, he couldn't do it himself.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777282/createsclone.JPG.html

More indication that this isn't even possible.

Whoa, not the kryptonians he created. The scan refers to the 'Eradicator matrix' as abducted by Brainiac, and is related only in name to the Eradicator that existed as Krypton Man.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16783241/killskryptonians_1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16783242/killskryptonians_2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16783244/killskryptonians_3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16783245/killskryptonians_4.jpg.html

THIS is specifically why I referenced the wikipedia article, because the amount with which Abhi is trying to pull the wool over judges' eyes is ridiculous. At least the wiki article lays out the Eradicator history plain for everybody to see. I have provided scans for all my points regarding the Eradicator identity crisis, but wikipedia serves as a separate document that provides a timeline for all this stuff.

haermm

Anyways, the scan has nothing to do with Krypton Man, could employ shitloads of outside tech that Eradicator doesn't have here, and, perhaps most importantly, gives no timeline. We have no idea if Eradicator can create a kryptonian body in 5 minutes, which is all he has here for prep.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777278/createsclone_1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777280/createsclone_2.jpg.html

While he was amnesiac, had resistance from Superman's body and powerless. It would be child's play to create a kryptonian body at full power for himself.

[*]d) Uh... I have no idea what you're referring to, cause it doesn't say any of that in the scan.[/quote] Its a three issue long sequence.

Even if it could be backed up by other evidence, that would only store Superman's memories until 1989. So please stop using scans from the last two and a half decades.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=NanosecondInteraction1.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=NanosecondInteraction2.jpg

So, he is still faster than nanosecond reaction time.

Finally, I'll stress again, Krypton Man's circuitry and programming was destroyed in the sun. Provide proof that Krypton Man hold's all of Superman's memories or we'll assume that anything he did remember was lost when he had his 'unique rebirth'.
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Telekinesis and the Eradicator

To reiterate:

Previous to his telekinesis being God-like, Cable proved he could manipulate energy forms:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img444/4773/redirectblast.jpg*

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img528/2407/lansky6.jpg

Then his telekinesis became mega powerful

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img201/218/containmissiles2.jpg

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/275/cablesmash2.jpg

*For this feat, Sinister had temporarily removed his TO virus, which is the same reason he became so powerful in his God-like persona. He didn't show anything close to the same level of power, but did move this energy beam, which is totally transferrable.

The plan still stands: Cable wills Eradicator's body sundered, and it becomes sundered. Much like how Superman beat Krypton Man in the first place, by scattering his energy to the wind.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777801/kryptonmanvssuperman_20.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777802/kryptonmanvssuperman_21.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777804/kryptonmanvssuperman_22.jpg.html

Abhi's defence:

Krypton Man stood up to punches from Superman

Fine, I'll just continuously apply the same energy that it took to levitate Providence or break Surfer's board, and beat the hell out of Krypton Man. I have telekinesis and can apply this attack at all angles, from any distance, however I want, for as long as I want.

Continued.....

ALSO: Krypton Man's physical durability against Superman has nothing to do with Krypton Man's durability while intangible, as he is in this match. We know that Krypton Man refers to his own body and all its variations as malleable and so durability from a solid Krypton Man means nothing to an intangible one. [/B]

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777810/kryptonmanvssuperman_25.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777811/kryptonmanvssuperman_26.jpg.html

FYI, a small portion of sun's EM field can easily destroy earth. That's FAR BEYOND Cable's power. And Eradicator had no problem taking it despite weakened by it. Case dismissed.

And for the last time, where did Cable rip apart an energy being? Because all you've shown is Cable redirecting a laser and redirecting Lightmaster.

Hey Abhi and judges,

This is probably my last post, I'm just about done with everything I have to say. If Abhi brings new stuff to light in his response, I might reply, but I'm expecting more of the same and I feel confident letting this go to a judge ruling soon.

Sundering the Krypton Man

Originally posted by abhilegend

And for the last time, where did Cable rip apart an energy being? Because all you've shown is Cable redirecting a laser and redirecting Lightmaster.

I'm so glad you asked. 🙂

http://i.imgur.com/mVnvoXC.jpg

"Cable allowed the facade virus to intermingle with Lightmaster's incorporeal form and, in layman's terms, telekinetically blew the sumbeech up! A second sun blanketed the planet..."

... so, that pretty much settles this debate, right?

Cable blows Krypton Man up in the same manner, much like Superman's magical crystal did to kill Krypton Man in the first place.

Abhi's defense:

Originally posted by abhilegend
Continued.....

Even in intangible state he stood up to Sun's electromagnetic field.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777810/kryptonmanvssuperman_25.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777811/kryptonmanvssuperman_26.jpg.html

He's provided this as proof that Eradicator's intangible form has a defence feat, but the only time we see Eradicator intangible, it's in an effort to avoid Superman's fist, and it's not a defence feat- Superman just says that Mercury's magnetic field (note: Mercury, not the Sun, as Abhi would have us believe) is f*cking up Eradicator's powers. Nothing to bolster the belief that Eradicator would be any harder to tear apart than Lightmaster.

It is interesting though... I mean, if the magnetic field of Mercury can mess with Eradicator's powers, and he's up against Cable's psi-powers, which passively were strong enough to ionize Earth's atmosphere, imagine what Cable could do to mess with Krypton Man's powers if he actively intended to... mmm

Lastly, Abhi defends Krypton Man, saying that he's a better/more proven energy manipulator than Cable, but let's take a closer look:

Originally posted by abhilegend

Cable can atomize and restructure matter on a city-wide scale as shown against Surfer..................but Eradicator is a planetary level transmuter. Even the less powerful Eradicator construct could give and take away powers by transmuting human bodies.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16783249/jimmyelastic.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777105/constructvssuperman_6.jpg.html

Again.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777217/constructvssuperman_22.jpg.html

And about to tear the whole planet apart.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16783261/ripearthapart.jpg.html

This more powerful version can transmute the whole planet.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16775003/channelsun_1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16775023/channelsun_2.jpg.html

On a minute level, create skyscrapers.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780891/transmutation_1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780894/transmutation_2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780896/transmutation_3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780900/transmutation_4.jpg.html

Randomly transmuting human bodies into stone.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780910/transmutation_6.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780906/transmutation_5.jpg.html

And most impressively creating a kryptonian body from stone.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777278/createsclone_1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777280/createsclone_2.jpg.html

w00t

That's all perfectly neato 😊 , but mostly irrelevant.

Cable used TK to amp himself to be strong enough to crack Surfer's board in two. You've dismissed this saying that Morg, Terrax and Firelord have all done the same thing, but, well... Terrax is the lamest of the three, and he's destroyed a planet with an axe strike. So I'm cool with the comparison.

See, it doesn't matter if Krypton Man can extend control over the whole planet. Cable can too - remember his ionizing the planet's atmosphere? - but it's not the point.

What Cable can do is be really strong with his telekinesis, apply that strength to Krypton Man's energy form, and sunder it. Even if Krypton Man can ultimately affect more energy, it doesn't give him a stronger pull.

What I mean:

Giganta can grab more with her hands than Superman, because her hands are huge. Does that make her stronger?

Xavier has reached 8 billion minds with his telepathy when he channelled the emotions of the Skrull homeworld. Cassandra Nova has no feats suggesting she could replicate the same thing, but she has casually stomped Chuck in a one-on-one telepathic fight.

I don't care if Krypton Man can affect the whole sun, he has no feats to suggest he can outpower Cable.

This is backed up by Krypton Man's appearances in comics too:

Being a proven energy manipulator with powers from the sun didn't stop Superman from dispersing him with a magic crystal, it didn't stop Mercury's magnetic field from tampering with his powers, it didn't allow him to put himself back together after he was ripped apart- he needed the Fortress robots to do that for him.

Apparently as soon as Krypton Man starts to rip up, his programming is destroyed (see: Eradicator's programming getting destroyed in the heat of the sun; Krypton Man's programming getting destroyed when the magic crystal spewed his energy everywhere) and he can't easily reconstitute himself. In the sun, he needed to bond with solar energies and, over time, put himself back together. As an energy ghost, he needed to access Superman's stored solar energies and put himself back together. In the fortress, he needed the robots to put him back together and bond with fortress tech.

Even here:

So you don't actually read these?

http://i.imgur.com/NjOwGtb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/B2433A7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TJbeFQb.jpg

A part of Eradicator after David Conner threw away the programming, explicitly created another body in instants.

What do I do now?

I find myself unable to absorb and utilize this essence fully... but I can utilize its knowledge...

I improvise... somehow using the materials available... the essence and reality of the dead.

I focus... twist.. mold...

And I become... not alive yet... not quite real...

But powerful nonetheless

Further proof that Eradicator needs outside materials to put himself back together, that he needs an unspecified amount of time, that he needs an outside host/essence or, at the very least, outside energies.

So no, Abhi, I don't think that Eradicator's abilities to manipulate energy have anything to do with Eradicator's abilities to heal himself when his opponent destroys him.

Finally, you know who is a far better and more proven energy manipulator than Eradicator?

Silver Surfer.

Didn't stop Cable from smashing his board when he decided he'd had enough.

Other Stuff: Defensive Actions and Healing

If Eradicator gets any attacks in, Cable with happily repel them with shields, continue to make himself telepathically invisible, use illusions to distract, teleport, and - because he's such a goddamn fabulous multitasker - press his attack simultaneously.

Incidentally, that same multitasking strength will allow him to instantly repair shields the moment they are damaged, just as he instantly repaired the world atomically throughout his fight with Surfer.

Finally, if he gets damaged: remember that Cable was durable enough to brush off the blitz from Surfer without showing any damage, and remember that Cable has Deadpool's healing factor - any damage sustained will be repaired immediately.

Conclusion

In my opening post, I emphasized three points that I feel are really important in this battle:
[list]
[*]God-like Cable is one of the best multitaskers in comics. He spent 24 hours a day listening to the entire world's thoughts and responding as needed. He defended himself from an attack from the Silver Surfer, repaired all the damage from their battle on an atomic level, continued to levitate Providence, and continued to attempt to reach Surfer telepathically.

This multitasking ability will allow him to press all of his offensive and defensive actions against Krypton Man simultaneously. My opponent has no proof that he can defend himself on a telepathic or telekinetic front, much less simultaneously.

[*]God-like Cable has global telepathy, and a huge amount of telepathic weight to bring crushing on Eradicator's domepiece. These telepathic wavelengths also ionized Earth's atmosphere and could mess up Krypton Man's powers, just like Mercury's magnetic field.

[*]God-like Cable has never been seen in combat fully rested, with the amount of energy and power he will have here. [/list]

Other last minute thoughts to tack on:

- Cable can begin his attack immediately, he has no need to break through a shield.

- The Super-Clone still lacks any basis in comic books to believe that Eradicator can split his programming and control two bodies at once. The closest comic book comparison is this, and involves, once again, creating a separate identity, not simply controlling a construct, and therefore is duplication as per Battlezone rules.

- The reason that the distinction between duplication and controlling a construct is important is because the first simply doubles an opponent's presence on a battlefield, and the second divides that presence across two bodies. If there is only one mind, and not 'split programming', then Cable will resume his assault on that one mind, which will be even less capable of defending itself when it is split between two bodies. At any rate, Eradicator lacks the feats to show that he can control two bodies with one personality. Every instance Abhi shows (David Connor, Fortress merged Eradicator, Brainiac merged Eradicator, undead Eradicator) demonstrates a second emerging mind/personality, and not simply the creation of a construct.

Originally posted by Existere
Hey Abhi and judges,

This is probably my last post, I'm just about done with everything I have to say. If Abhi brings new stuff to light in his response, I might reply, but I'm expecting more of the same and I feel confident letting this go to a judge ruling soon.

[b]Sundering the Krypton Man

I'm so glad you asked. 🙂

http://i.imgur.com/mVnvoXC.jpg

"Cable allowed the facade virus to intermingle with Lightmaster's incorporeal form and, in layman's terms, telekinetically blew the sumbeech up! A second sun blanketed the planet..."

That was done by a machine which was designed to convert Lightmaster into photons and send him to the optical lines of the world to turn it pink. As explained here, the Façade virus was meant to be delivered by the Deliverance Machine to optical lines.

http://i.imgur.com/svRVSad.jpg

Lightmaster was the fail-safe and Cable redirected him into THAT machine to send all over the world.

http://i.imgur.com/WrZjDgW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5tgejb9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8FZcDy2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KK9ydkts.jpg

Don’t believe me? Here’s the official bio of Lightmaster saying the exact same thing.

Can't believe you're still parroting it after I posted the whole context.

... so, that pretty much settles this debate, right?

Cable blows Krypton Man up in the same manner, much like Superman's magical crystal did to kill Krypton Man in the first place.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777801/kryptonmanvssuperman_20.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777802/kryptonmanvssuperman_21.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777804/kryptonmanvssuperman_22.jpg.html

**** context, right?

Abhi's defense:

He's provided this as proof that Eradicator's intangible form has a defence feat, but the only time we see Eradicator intangible, it's in an effort to avoid Superman's fist, and it's not a defence feat- Superman just says that Mercury's magnetic field (note: Mercury, not the Sun, as Abhi would have us believe) is f*cking up Eradicator's powers.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777728/kryptonmanvssuperman_4.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780931/turnsunred_1.jpg.html

If that much power can't rip Eradicator's energy form apart, Cable can't do shit to him when he has never actually done that to an energy being.

Also comparing Lightmaster to Eradicator is lulzworthy. Lightmaster can't survive without his ****ing suit, he will disperse as he has no control over his body. Eradicator has full control over his body and EM spectrum.

Also why is smurph treating Eradicator like an idiot who can't turn tangible?

Nothing to bolster the belief that Eradicator would be any harder to tear apart than Lightmaster.

😂

Keep dreaming bro.

It is interesting though... I mean, if the magnetic field of Mercury can mess with Eradicator's powers, and he's up against Cable's psi-powers, which passively were strong enough to ionize Earth's atmosphere, imagine what Cable could do to mess with Krypton Man's powers if he actively intended to... mmm

Lastly, Abhi defends Krypton Man, saying that he's a better/more proven energy manipulator than Cable, but let's take a closer look:

That's all perfectly neato 😊 , but mostly irrelevant.

Turns the ****ing SUN RED.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780931/turnsunred_1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780933/turnsunred_2.jpg.html

Channels sun's core through himself.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16775003/channelsun_1.jpg.html

Far beyond anything Cable did.

Cable used TK to amp himself to be strong enough to crack Surfer's board in two.

You've dismissed this saying that Morg, Terrax and Firelord have all done the same thing, but, well... Terrax is the lamest of the three, and he's destroyed a planet with an axe strike. So I'm cool with the comparison.

HA, ABC comparison now? In fact Byrne Superman has far better strength feats than Terrax, Firelord or Morg. Like moving both moon and Earth from another solar system.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/TheEarthStealersa-1.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/TheEarthStealersb-1.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/TheEarthStealersc-1.jpg

But, yeah Herald nuthugging at its best.

See, it doesn't matter if Krypton Man can extend control over the whole planet. Cable can too - remember his ionizing the planet's atmosphere? - but it's not the point.

What Cable can do is be really strong with his telekinesis, apply that strength to Krypton Man's energy form, and sunder it. Even if Krypton Man can ultimately affect more energy, it doesn't give him a stronger pull.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777768/kryptonmanvssuperman_12.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777779/kryptonmanvssuperman_13.jpg.html

Again.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777816/kryptonmanvssuperman_27.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777818/kryptonmanvssuperman_28.jpg.html

That's far better than getting matched in strength by ****ing silver surfer.

What I mean:

Giganta can grab more with her hands than Superman, because her hands are huge. Does that make her stronger?

Xavier has reached 8 billion minds with his telepathy when he channelled the emotions of the Skrull homeworld. Cassandra Nova has no feats suggesting she could replicate the same thing, but she has casually stomped Chuck in a one-on-one telepathic fight.

I don't care if Krypton Man can affect the whole sun, he has no feats to suggest he can outpower Cable.

This is backed up by Krypton Man's appearances in comics too:

Being a proven energy manipulator with powers from the sun didn't stop Superman from dispersing him with a magic crystal,[/quote] Correction, it was destabilizing Eradicator's programming and it was Superman's soul. Treat it like soulworld.

it didn't stop Mercury's magnetic field from tampering with his powers, it didn't allow him to put himself back together after he was ripped apart- he needed the Fortress robots to do that for him.

Apparently as soon as Krypton Man starts to rip up, his programming is destroyed

(see: Eradicator's programming getting destroyed in the heat of the sun; Krypton Man's programming getting destroyed when the magic crystal spewed his energy everywhere) and he can't easily reconstitute himself. In the sun, he needed to bond with solar energies and, over time, put himself back together. As an energy ghost, he needed to access Superman's stored solar energies and put himself back together. In the fortress, he needed the robots to put him back together and bond with fortress tech.

Continued..........

Even here:

What do I do now?

I find myself unable to absorb and utilize this essence fully... but I can utilize its knowledge...

I improvise... somehow using the materials available... the essence and reality of the dead.

I focus... twist.. mold...

And I become... not alive yet... not quite real...

But powerful nonetheless

Further proof that Eradicator needs outside materials to put himself back together, that he needs an unspecified amount of time, that he needs an outside host/essence or, at the very least, outside energies.

So no, Abhi, I don't think that Eradicator's abilities to manipulate energy have anything to do with Eradicator's abilities to heal himself when his opponent destroys him.

Finally, you know who is a far better and more proven energy manipulator than Eradicator?

Silver Surfer.

Didn't stop Cable from smashing his board when he decided he'd had enough.

Other Stuff: Defensive Actions and Healing

If Eradicator gets any attacks in, Cable with happily repel them with shields, continue to make himself telepathically invisible, use illusions to distract, teleport, and - because he's such a goddamn fabulous multitasker - press his attack simultaneously.

Incidentally, that same multitasking strength will allow him to instantly repair shields the moment they are damaged, just as he instantly repaired the world atomically throughout his fight with Surfer.

Finally, if he gets damaged: remember that Cable was durable enough to brush off the blitz from Surfer without showing any damage, and remember that Cable has Deadpool's healing factor - any damage sustained will be repaired immediately.

Conclusion

In my opening post, I emphasized three points that I feel are really important in this battle:
[list]
[*]God-like Cable is one of the best multitaskers in comics. He spent 24 hours a day listening to the entire world's thoughts and responding as needed. He defended himself from an attack from the Silver Surfer, repaired all the damage from their battle on an atomic level, continued to levitate Providence, and continued to attempt to reach Surfer telepathically.

This multitasking ability will allow him to press all of his offensive and defensive actions against Krypton Man simultaneously. My opponent has no proof that he can defend himself on a telepathic or telekinetic front, much less simultaneously.

...........

Bwahahaha. Oh smurph, you like your own words so much.

[*]God-like Cable has global telepathy, and a huge amount of telepathic weight to bring crushing on Eradicator's domepiece. These telepathic wavelengths also ionized Earth's atmosphere and could mess up Krypton Man's powers, just like Mercury's magnetic field.

I object milord. Lets look another way. You know the mysterious power up Superman got in 90's? Yeah, the astral combat technique known as T-vo. Yeah, the same technique which allowed him to to first stalemate Dominus.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Willpower/tvo/ManOfSteel089a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Willpower/tvo/ManOfSteel089b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Willpower/tvo/ManOfSteel089c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Willpower/tvo/ManOfSteel089d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Willpower/tvo/ManOfSteel089e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Willpower/tvo/ManOfSteel089f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Willpower/tvo/ManOfSteel089g.jpg

Untill Dominus distracted him. And then completely own him.

http://imgur.com/UWUv2l0
http://imgur.com/FUMM8FU
http://imgur.com/GBatPmo
http://imgur.com/g23epdU
http://imgur.com/TGJPdXO
http://imgur.com/lgd7zio
http://imgur.com/OHVnZn6
http://imgur.com/h1bvs5L
http://imgur.com/9OjPGYV
http://imgur.com/QJUnsRu
http://imgur.com/fFHqeA7
http://imgur.com/2qWvqZ4
http://imgur.com/It6aJ8d
http://imgur.com/0Xa4fAA
http://imgur.com/PqRcgAw
http://imgur.com/R7Zsy1U
http://imgur.com/BExJidu
http://imgur.com/ecTVnix
http://imgur.com/AOdoiVP
http://imgur.com/sIOfoaf
http://imgur.com/VAwjLUw
http://imgur.com/8fcVhsC

And Dominus was a multiversal level telepath. Casually dumping the information of an infinite multiverse in Superman's head.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15777252/ccf0528201200007.jpg.html

If that wasn't enough, Superman literally overpowered God's will itself.

Superman overpowers God's will of making everyone forget that hal jordan was spectre by T-vo

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=JLA207.jpg

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=godswillvstvo.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=godswillvstvo1.jpg

Now we've established Superman would push Cable's shit in astral combat using T-vo, right? Well. Superman was totally helpless against a fraction of Krypton Man's persona embedded in Fortress which Lois accidentally took to their apartment.

http://i.imgur.com/8oqKdj9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GsPT3DC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ws1vKn8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FGdiH4O.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ujkIdkz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KqOoBqn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dHOcOAe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CrblxTg.jpg

Which was the leftover consciousness of Eradicator in the fortress after Superman dissipated Krypton Man as stated here.

http://i.imgur.com/9ZqiCGS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tAnQt3V.jpg

Not even close TBH.

[*]God-like Cable has never been seen in combat fully rested, with the amount of energy and power he will have here. [/list] [/B]

Originally posted by Existere
Other last minute thoughts to tack on:

- Cable can begin his attack immediately, he has no need to break through a shield.

- The Super-Clone still lacks any basis in comic books to believe that Eradicator can split his programming and control two bodies at once. The closest comic book comparison is this, and involves, once again, creating a separate identity, not simply controlling a construct, and therefore is [b]duplication as per Battlezone rules.

- The reason that the distinction between duplication and controlling a construct is important is because the first simply doubles an opponent's presence on a battlefield, and the second divides that presence across two bodies. If there is only one mind, and not 'split programming', then Cable will resume his assault on that one mind, which will be even less capable of defending itself when it is split between two bodies. At any rate, Eradicator lacks the feats to show that he can control two bodies with one personality. Every instance Abhi shows (David Connor, Fortress merged Eradicator, Brainiac merged Eradicator, undead Eradicator) demonstrates a second emerging mind/personality, and not simply the creation of a construct. [/B]

Just to re-iterate.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Abhilegend post 5.

Now that we've seen everything Smurph could throw at Eradicator, true or false and I've countered each of them, here's a list of all the things.

[list][*]Cable's telepathy is totally useless on Eradicator. As already explained by Lightmaster, he can't lock down on an energy being whose thoughts are pure light.

There goes Smurph's entire plan using TP.

[*]But Eradicator can just crush his mind like nothing using T-vo.

http://i.imgur.com/8oqKdj9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GsPT3DC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ws1vKn8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FGdiH4O.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ujkIdkz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KqOoBqn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dHOcOAe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CrblxTg.jpg

And I totally reject this laughable logic that Superman's feats using T-vo don't apply in his fight against Eradicator.

And yes, Eradicator can use T-vo here as a small essence of himself used T-vo. No matter if it happened 10 years later, its the same version.

http://i.imgur.com/9ZqiCGS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tAnQt3V.jpg

[*]Cable's TK isn't going to do anything to Eradicator since he is intangible and Cable never showed any capability to manipulate energy. He could redirect energy blasts and that's it. Smurph actually lied about Cable manipulating photons or Lightmaster.

What a load of BS. You're now straight up lying. That was done by a machine which was designed to convert Lightmaster into photons and send him to the optical lines of the world to turn it pink. As explained here, the Façade virus was meant to be delivered by the Deliverance Machine to optical lines.

http://i.imgur.com/svRVSad.jpg

Lightmaster was the fail-safe and Cable redirected him into THAT machine to send all over the world.

http://i.imgur.com/WrZjDgW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5tgejb9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8FZcDy2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KK9ydkts.jpg

Don’t believe me? Here’s the official bio of Lightmaster saying the exact same thing.

Seriously smurph?

[*]Even if Eradicator goes tangible, Cable's TK doesn't has the power to do anything to Eradicator's energy form.

Superman says that being on Mercury is affecting Eradicator’s powers due to Sun’s EM field.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777806/kryptonmanvssuperman_23.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777809/kryptonmanvssuperman_24.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777810/kryptonmanvssuperman_25.jpg.html

And then Eradicator goes to the ****ing sun itself and is completely fine.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777779/kryptonmanvssuperman_13.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777818/kryptonmanvssuperman_28.jpg.html

Now I’m to believe that Cable’s TK is more powerful than Sun’s EM field when he can’t even directly manipulate energy while the EM field was directly affecting Eradicator? I don’t think so.

Not that Cable can do anything to Eradicator's energy form, who can create it with just a thought. Now lets see how powerful Eradicator's energy manipulation is.

Creates his body in instants.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777728/kryptonmanvssuperman_4.jpg.html

Turns the ****ing SUN RED.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780931/turnsunred_1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16780933/turnsunred_2.jpg.html

Channels sun's core through himself.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16775003/channelsun_1.jpg.html

Simply put, Eradicator is a FAR, FAR better energy manipulator than Cable who can't even directly manipulate Energy other than funneling it or redirecting it.

So based on how durable Eradicator is and how far better energy manipulator he is, Cable isn't going to do anything to his energy form.[/list]

Now that we've seen all Cable can do and negated everything, its time to go on offensive.

[list][*]The first thing Smurph ignored is the biggest problem he has here. A SUNAMPED SUPERMAN who is going to punch him in the God like paste at this speed.

Superman has faster than nanosecond reflexes.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=NanosecondInteraction1.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=NanosecondInteraction2.jpg

Another nanosecond feat. AOS 603

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=superman_nano_second_reaction.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=as603p19.jpg

Stops professor zoom into his tracks.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=TimeMasters-VanishingPoint5022.jpg

Makes a running jay garrick look like statue.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=JusticeLeagueofAmerica010-0203.jpg

And jay himself has nanosecond reflexes.

http://i.imgur.com/8aW6e8Z.jpg

And far more powerful punches than these.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/striking/adventuresof642a.jpg

Knocked the **** out with a single blow.

http://i.imgur.com/6OP60Zj.jpg

And John's Auto-shields can protect him from a planet blowing up and a supernova.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_091.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_092.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_093.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_094.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_095.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_096.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_097.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_098.jpg

So yeah, Cable is ****ed.

excellent
[*]While simultaneously, Eradicator is crushing Cable's mind by T-vo.[/list]

Conclusion: Sunamped Superman shatters whatever shield Cable can conjure, Eradicator eyeblasts the shit out of him, transmutes him into a statue and crushes his mind like an egg in T-vo.

w00t

And judges, Smurph has lied several times over in this thread.

[list][*]He lied about Cable manipulating Lightmaster's energy form.
[*]He lied about Eradicator having no programming.
[*]He lied about Eradicator having no electronic senses.
[*]He lied about Eradicator never appearing in two bodies simultaneously.
[*]He lied about Superman destroying Eradicator's energy form, when it was really Superman's soul destroying Eradicator's energy in an environment which was already destabilizing his programming.[/list]

Among several other small out of context information to misdirect everybody. That should be taken into consideration. That's all.

srug

Ah, the smell of desperation in the air...

Originally posted by abhilegend

And judges, Smurph has lied several times over in this thread.

[list][*]He lied about Cable manipulating Lightmaster's energy form.
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Man, I am sooooo over being called a liar. I know I said I was done posting, but this is way too out of line to not correct.

Let's see who's lying, shall we?

The Lightmaster Debacle

Abhi is becoming increasingly caustic in his replies because he thinks that if judges realize what Cable does to Lightmaster in these scans, they'll understand that Cable can do the exact same thing to Krypton Man's incorporeal energy form at the beginning of this match.

When this fight was first brought up, all that I focused on was how Cable redirects Lightmaster's flying body into a septic tank holding a virus, because I felt what was really important was witnessing how Cable's telekinesis could affect an energy form.

Abhi actually accused me of lying (facepalm), thinking I meant to say that Cable had Lightmaster's photons bond with the virus, and then sent the virus across the world.

I don't know if that was Abhi's moment of brilliance or if he just touched upon some truth in his rage-blithering, but if we re-read the scans, we can see that that is exactly what Cable does.

Let's take a look:

http://i.imgur.com/svRVSad.jpg

^ This is the recap at the beginning of the issue. Important things:

[list][*]It mentions the Deliverance Device, which will become really important
[*]It refers to the Facade Virus, which is the virus in question that Cable eventually delivers via Lightmaster's energy form around the world
[*]It indicates how Cable became God Cable - Abhi would have us believe that God Cable exhausted his energies extracting the Facade Virus from someone's body, but that was before he became God Cable. Cable didn't reach God-Like status until he bonded with Deadpool's healing factor, which would go on to fight the TO Virus in his body and let him become Cyber Jesus Uninhibited. Cable only bonded with Deadpool's healing factor in order to fight the Facade Virus in each of their bodies, and they were infected with the virus after Cable removed the virus from the teen's body, the feat abhi references.

For clarity:
[list=1][*]Cable finds the virus with teens in Germany, removes it, exhausts himself
[*]Cable tracks down the Deliverance Device and both he and Deadpool are infected by the virus
[*]Cable and Deadpool's bodies bond via bodyslide, Cable gets Pool's healing factor, enter God Like Cable
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I'm sure Abhi knows this already... but then again, he would never lie to judges, would he?

Next scan![/list]

http://i.imgur.com/WrZjDgW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5tgejb9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8FZcDy2.jpg

^ This is Cable's fight with Lightmaster, important things:

[list][*]They mention the Deliverance Device, and confirm that Cable destroyed it in France. The describe the device: it was meant to take the Facade Virus (a liquid subject) and 'piggyback it' onto optic/internet lines to give people the virus via their TVs and computer monitors
[*]They also mention the problem: it would take too long. There are parts of the world that don't have internet or TVs. 'misguided souls'
[*]The solution: Lightmaster. He can convert the 'face-changing agent' into lightwaves. They NEVER mention a second Deliverance Device that could deliver Lansky across the world, only imply that Lightmaster was meant to bathe those 'misguided souls' with the same virus-light that others would receive through their television sets. [/list]

and then...

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img528/2407/lansky6.jpg

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Cable does it for them. He drops Lansky into the liquid-holding tank that contains the Facade Virus, allows it to bond with his form and then blows up Lansky across the world, transmitting the virus everywhere.

This is confirmed very explicitly with the recap in the next issue:
http://i.imgur.com/mVnvoXC.jpg

Abhi has tried to tell you this is misleading, but it's a recap by the exact same authors, and all that he has to refute it is a bio written by somebody else. ermm

The recap also confirms that Lightmaster's form was incorporeal, and that Cable used telekinesis to create a 'second sun'.

With these scans, we know that it is a viable tactic to do the same thing to Krypton Man because, per Abhi's write-up, KM is an intangible energy form at the start of the match.

Conclusion (Actually done this time!)

[list][*]Krypton Man will be prey to Cable from the beginning of the match. Godlike Cable will simply overwhelm his mind and sunder his energy form with TP and TK from the moment the match starts.
[*]There is no Superclone, based on a sheer lack of evidence. If judges believe Abhi anyways, realize that it means Eradicator's mind will be split across two bodies and will be much easier for Cable to overwhelm telepathically. Otherwise, Cable will simply take control of the Superclone for his own purpose.

If his mind is not split across two bodies (which he is incapable of anyways, as per the scans), then Abhi has attempted to duplicate his mind, which is illegal
[*]Krypton Man has never used T-Vo. His energy form has a set of powers completely different from all other Eradicator incarnations. We don't even know if his body is capable of T-Vo, much less still remembers how to use it.
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K, judges, it's all yours.

I've read all of it. My judgement shall come to pass.

ALL judges: just pm me your verdicts based on this match. they will be posted by the end of the week max

Wow ZA! Good reading guys.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

😂

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We have 2 judgments in with hopefully 3 more judgments by tonight.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
We just need one more judgment to make it 5. If either Mindset or Bentley can get one in to me soon we'll have a winner.

nuts