I view the force as having three non-alignment related areas. Rather than viewing these areas as the living force and the unifying force, I prefer to think of the forces areas as the aperion, the anima, and the pneuma.
The aperion encompasses the purely physical aspects of the force. space, matter, and time.
The anima encompasses the aspects of the force relating to life.
The pneuma encompasses the aspects of the force relating to the mind and conscious.
I view this perspective as a superior one to the living/unifying force perspective. This concept comes from Plagueis's own research and discoveries when looking at the roots of the force. It is also reinforced and suggested by Bane's focuses of combat. As such I believe the Aperion/Anima/Pneuma concept holds a lot of weight and credibility to it.
Now for force alignments. A lot of people view the only alignments in the force as Light and Dark. I am of the opinion that there are two more not as common alignments, these being Balance and Chaos.
Light and Dark alignments are demonstrated left and right throughout Star Wars. Balance and Chaos alignments are harder to come across.
Balance is demonstrated arguably by the Je'daii, the Jensaarai, the imperial knights, and Revan.
Chaos appears to be demonstrated by Joruus C'baoth, Starkiller (clone), Onimi, Sarasu Taalon, and any infected with force psychosis.
This theory is supported by the family known as the Ones. Each of them represent one of these alignments. Son is Dark, Daughter is Light, Father is Balance, and Abeloth is Chaos.
Well this is just my view on the Force, and I'm curious to know what you all think.
As I perceive it, the force is constantly changing and evolving. It has/is unlimited power, knowledge and serenity. There is no individualism in it. Everything comes from the force and takes shape in material form. Yet the galaxy is too big so the force has to allow access to its power for the people that live in the galaxy so that they can complete its will and keep the balance of the universe safe. I think that if the galaxy was smaller, there wouldn't be a need for powerful jedis and sith. Being strong in the force would have a more humble meaning.
As for its areas, I think that there are 3 main dimensions of the force:
1) Existence/Presence(Material world perceived through individual consciousness)
2) The energy within everything that keeps the universe together(Like a bridge between presence and nothingness)
3) Nothingness( Everything that exists is the force but force is not just everything that exists.)
Originally posted by Nephthys
Question: Is there even such a thing as the Light Side? I believe Lucas insinuated that it was merely the natural form of the Force.
That's why I found the phrase "bring balance to the Force" somewhat laughable. What they really mean is kill all the Sith. Apparently, the Force is only "balanced" when the Sith are gone.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
That's why I found the phrase "bring balance to the Force" somewhat laughable. What they really mean is kill all the Sith. Apparently, the Force is only "balanced" when the Sith are gone.
They found out the true meaning the hard way. Both jedi and sith were exterminated by the chosen one as he brought balance to the force 😄
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
That's why I found the phrase "bring balance to the Force" somewhat laughable. What they really mean is kill all the Sith. Apparently, the Force is only "balanced" when the Sith are gone.
It's not really laughable. The Darkside is like a cancer in the Force, a perversion of the pure energy of the universe. To eradicate the darkside would be to bring balance back to the Force.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It's not really laughable. The Darkside is like a cancer in the Force, a perversion of the pure energy of the universe. To eradicate the darkside would be to bring balance back to the Force.
That's dumb.
"Oh yeah, too much peace and goodness would like, destroy everything, somehow. Balance man, balance. Peace. A-and War. Blanance."
Or maybe it would undo life as we understand it by creating one where the universe isn't wracked by horrific warfare and strife and would be a really awesome place to live. That would be awful.
@Neph
Balance means evil and good existing side by side equally. Everything can only exist with its opposite in nature and universe. SW philosophy is also based on this.
Look what the chosen one did. He brought balance to the force by killing all the jedi and the sith. So not just the sith.
The centuries of jedi dominance created an imbalance in the force and very powerful beings like Palpatine and Plagueis emerged as an effect. Then they arrogantly experimented on the force and the force sent the chosen one as an effect. The cycle would only end with both jedi and sith being limned. Not just one side.
Originally posted by Sinious
@NephBalance means evil and good existing side by side equally. Everything can only exist with its opposite in nature and universe. SW philosophy is also based on this.
Look what the chosen one did. He brought balance to the force by killing all the jedi and the sith. So not just the sith.
The centuries of jedi dominance created an imbalance in the force and very powerful beings like Palpatine and Plagueis emerged as an effect. Then they arrogantly experimented on the force and the force sent the chosen one as an effect. The cycle would only end with both jedi and sith being limned. Not just one side.
And if that's what it takes to make balance then balance isn't a good thing. Billions of deaths just to even out the scales? Good, innocent Jedi murdered as equal to evil psycho Sith? That's despicable. Give me an imbalance towards the Light any day over that garbage.
You're wrong, anyway. Luke and Anakin create balance by destroying the Sith, but the Jedi survive. Wouldn't that be unbalanced? No, because the Jedi were never a problem.
V Yep. 👆
Originally posted by Nephthys
And if that's what it takes to make balance then balance isn't a good thing. Billions of deaths just to even out the scales? Good, innocent Jedi murdered as equal to evil psycho Sith? That's despicable. Give me an imbalance towards the Light any day over that garbage.You're wrong, anyway. Luke and Anakin create balance by destroying the Sith, but the Jedi survive. Wouldn't that be unbalanced? No, because the Jedi were never a problem.
V Yep. 👆
The force does not share the same norms about life as you do lol
Everything in our real universe will die one day as well. Does that mean something evil rules us?
The sith survived too. Both jedi and sith were only limned. Both sides were growing restless cause there was a build up of 1000 years ready to explode. There was great disturbance in the force. And so what if Anakin killed all those jedi? The jedi see death as a liberation. "There is no death, there is the force"
I don't view the different Force ideologies as separate, with one being more credible than the other. I believe the Living Force and the Unifying Force are simply different aspects of a singular whole. For instance, the Living Force was a trait that not all Force Sensitives could naturally commune with, such was the case with Mother Talzin, just as Darth Plagueis could no longer touch the Unifying Force after the activation of Darth Tenebrous's maxichlorians. One does not exist separately from the other.
As for Force Alignment, I would constitute that there is only a singular Force, but depending on the manner in which the user calls on it, it's nature changes, and thus it can change the user. This process is more accurately described as "falling", in the case of the Dark Side. Were a diagram drawn of the varying natures the Force can take on, I would describe it as a diamond rather than a line segment--Two opposing ends of it being Light and Dark, the others being Balance and Chaos. A diagram such as this allows for middle ground between any end of the diagram as well as the intensity of alignment, and the center of the diamond would be the Force's unaltered, natural state.
As for the concepts of Aperion, Anima, and Pneuma, these are not aspects of the Force so much as a classification of effects the Force can have on those it's directed at.
There is the light side, which is the force in its natural state, and then there's the dark side.
There is nothing else. The EU likes to hint at the Universe being more complex than that to give all the college students something to jack off to, but as far as Star Wars as intended is concerned, there is nothing else.
So far. Abrams could change that.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
There is the light side, which is the force in its natural state, and then there's the dark side.There is nothing else. The EU likes to hint at the Universe being more complex than that to give all the college students something to jack off to, but as far as Star Wars as intended is concerned, there is nothing else.
Originally posted by EmperordmbGeorge Lucas > Mortis Trilogy
The Mortis Trilogy suggests differently.
"Balance" in the force was achieved by Anakin murdering the last of the Sith in the Galaxy and then dying himself. As far as the film universe is considered, a Galaxy with Jedi but no Sith is a balanced Galaxy.