How Do You View The Force?

Originally posted by Sinious
The force does not share the same norms about life as you do lol

Everything in our real universe will die one day as well. Does that mean something evil rules us?

The sith survived too. Both jedi and sith were only limned. Both sides were growing restless cause there was a build up of 1000 years ready to explode. There was great disturbance in the force. And so what if Anakin killed all those jedi? The jedi see death as a liberation. "There is no death, there is the force"

You should like, look up Taoism or something. It's apparently what the setting's philosophy is based off of.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
There is the light side, which is the force in its natural state, and then there's the dark side.

There is nothing else. The EU likes to hint at the Universe being more complex than that to give all the college students something to jack off to, but as far as Star Wars as intended is concerned, there is nothing else.

So far. Abrams could change that.

Not really. You make it sound as if the entire philosophy of SW is evil vs good. The concept of force is very much complex and is based on real philosophies to a certain extend.

Originally posted by Sinious
You make it sound as if the entire philosophy of SW is evil vs good.

Originally posted by Sinious
You make it sound as if the entire philosophy of SW is evil vs good.

That is the entire philosophy of Star Wars. It's good vs. evil, with the morally good heroes always triumphing over evil. That's why everyone in the Empire was cartoonishly evil and mostly incompetent while the rebels were all super good guys who always succeeded against all odds.

Star Wars as Lucas intended it to be is very much a black and white universe.

Perhaps I should've specified. When I made this topic I was referring to the Legends Continuity, and not the Disney Continuity.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, you're wrong. The Sith and the Dark Side send the Force off-balance.

You should like, look up Taoism or something. It's apparently what the setting's philosophy is based off of.

Im quite familiar with Taoism. 🙂

It has no dark side of the force though. Its either people absorbing the energy of life or the absence of it where people live material lives. The sith is kind of a symbol for ego and the animal instincts of humans.

The complete annihilation of the ego would mean the end of existence. So both the positive energy/spiritual energywhat ever you wanna call it and the ego, need to co-exist.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
That is the entire philosophy of Star Wars. It's good vs. evil, with the morally good heroes always triumphing over evil. That's why everyone in the Empire was cartoonishly evil and mostly incompetent while the rebels were all super good guys who always succeeded against all odds.

Star Wars as Lucas intended it to be is very much a black and white universe.

the movies did not contain a lot of information of the force but that doesn't mean that GL didn't have it in the story. He didn't keep making it up as a new movie came out. The entire concept of Star Wars was built on the force from the beginning and it wasn't just good or evil lol

Originally posted by Tzeentch
George Lucas > Mortis Trilogy

"Balance" in the force was achieved by Anakin murdering the last of the Sith in the Galaxy and then dying himself. As far as the film universe is considered, a Galaxy with Jedi but no Sith is a balanced Galaxy.

Empire > Rebellion if no plot convenience or luke skywalker was there

Originally posted by Tzeentch
There is the light side, which is the force in its natural state, and then there's the dark side.

👆

Sometimes simplicity is best.

The way I see it, following the will of the force is the "light side". Bending the will of the force, twisting it and corrupting it for your own means, that's the "dark side".

Update: Posting that the Jedi Exile would lose to stupid TOR characters is also the "dark side".

Mortis Triology> TPM,AOTC,Rots

Alright, here's a chart I put together based on my personal view on Force Alignment:

This chart will help explain my theory. The Force itself is, in essence, life itself. It has no pre-set alignment of it's own, and is something of a blank slate. However, the Force can't be called upon and applied in it's original form. Depending on how it is called upon by it's users, the nature of the Force changes.

For instance, if the Force is called upon by one's fury or fear, the nature of the Force would reflect this, becoming dark. As the nature of the Force is changed, the way it affects the user follows in suit. The Force constantly flows through the user as it does in all life, so when it's nature is changed that nature can physically and mentally effect the user, which in the Dark Side's case leads to corruption.

The Force is called on by emotions, be they of serenity or of passion. The stronger these emotions are, the stronger the call and the greater the benefits. However, the alignment and nature of the Force also becomes more intense, and thus it's effects on the users grow. This is why those who are deeply nested in the Dark Side are physically corrupted by it's power. On the chart, the strength of alignment is displayed by distance from the center, the Force's natural state.

Another important factor is that there are not simply two ends to this spectrum, as the chart is not simply a line. There are two middle ground alignments between the Light and the Dark, which I call Chaos and Balance. Despite the fact that both rest between the light and the dark, Chaos and Balance are polar opposites in principle. Balance describes when a user is able to synchronize their passions with serenity, and Chaos would be the inverse of this philosophy.

The chart also helps depict the middle ground between Force Alignments--Which is helpful in the case of beings such as Kyle Katarn, who while mainly light side aligned, appears to lean towards the "Chaos" aspect of the Force in his use of both the Light and Dark Sides in an unsynchronized fashion. The same can be applied to the Imperial Knights, who appear to nest themselves between Light and Balance.

That's my theory on Force Alignment and it's mechanics, I'm curious to see what people think of it. Note that this has nothing to do with Force Aspects such as the Unifying and Living Force, which I have a separate theory concerning.

I agree with that completely. It makes total sense.

That chart also seems like the results of those damn political tests DarthSith and Kenobifan were ridiculously obsessed with.

Why is there only one character on the dark side to show how far one can go?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I agree with that completely. It makes total sense.

That chart also seems like the results of those damn political tests DarthSith and Kenobifan were ridiculously obsessed with.

It's because that's what it's based on. 😆

Why is Revan farther away then the "unaltered" part then Kyle?
I don't recall Kyle ever unleashing the Force in its "purest form."

He's closer to balance than chaos. I guess.

I enjoy how Malgus is the closest mortal to their side.

If you read the text, you would know why. The farther you are from the unaltered Force the stronger your alignment is. Revan had a strong alignment in the "Balance" sect of the Force.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Why is Revan farther away then the "unaltered" part then Kyle?
I don't recall Kyle ever unleashing the Force in its "purest form."

The only mystery for me on that chart is the dark side-chaos relationship.
It seems the more instinctive and aggressive the characters are, the more closer to the dark they get which would mean the opposite applies to chaos where more calm evil characters should be yet Abeloth isn't the genius evil mastermind she would have to be to embody the chaos side of the force. My question is that where would the great manipulators like Sidious or corrupted force users with no agenda like Nihilus would stand in that chart?

Abeloth is confirmed to be the "Bringer of Chaos."
I suggest a read at FOTJ. 😉