Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Basically you are saying Obi risked his life to get the blaster because his force powers could have easily got the job done. I think a trained Jedi master knows how to effectively use his force powers. You can make feats up and pretend. It's what fanboys do. In your world force powers blow hearts up and rip cocks off.
Welcome to fiction where characters don't use their abilities 100 times out of 100 because, fiction
No, they cannot. They can't augment their physical stats to tank attacks. If they could do so then force pushes couldn't hurt them.
You realise that the whole "they survive force pushes so they're weak" was your own precedent right?
And they do, several times throughout the series. Good job on trying to flip flop though
1:26 in we see Obi kick Anakin and him being unable to defend himself or take action until 1:32.
Jedi can augment their physical stats, like in Ep.1 on the Trade Federation ship, or Obi-Wan matching Greivous physically and prying his armor open, various leaping feats throughout the series, etc
The Jedi aren't not known for their hand to hand formidability but rather for their skills with a light saber and force abilities.
Trolling 101
What do you think they utilize in hand to hand, couldn't be lightsabers certainly.
I will later demonstrate how much harder Khan can kick than Obi and his strength advantages over any Jedi. Khan can kick people much farther.
Translation: I will nitpick high end feats for Khan and lowball Star Wars as hard as possible while lying out my ass the whole time
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwy412nttI%5B/url%5D2:08: Look at the distance the kick drives the man backwards. The kick also seems to put the man down. Comparing Khan's kicks to Obi and Anakin's is downright laughable.
Not seeing anything Captain America couldn't replicate
I am saying he can but we don't know how good he is per say since we never see him do so. We also don't ever see any Jedi block the firepower Khan is packing.
Force users absorb energy. And given they kind of energy they can slug out casually, yeah
Jango took on the guy who beat Palpatine and only went down after the beast damaged the jet pack. Windu needed to avoid Jango. How humiliating since he proved to be superior to Palapatine in terms of the light saber.
Because Jango had firepower to defeat Jedi, hence why he needed to avoid his attacks, which he could easily do so
And Windu pretty much stomped Jango
They are far slower so his Jedi powers should be able to easily avoid a much slower attack but then again he didn't.
Again, covers a much wider area, hence why he was effected even if he was fast enough to move out of the way
Of course you'll just ignore and go about your idiocy but, hey
You are emotionally compromised.
You're really good at the style over substance thing, aren't you
Originally posted by quanchi112
I already explained myself. I never said Palpatine can't kill someone he hasn't killed before only that you can't apply the scope of the force to match something you dreamed up. You can't overturn actual evidence. Force push can drive those back but it's never broken bones so assuming it does here is without merit or proof on top of ignoring Khan's superior anatomy.
Except that that is EXACTLY what you are saying. For 1, A force push on that scale would indeed shatter bone, because the force of what it would take to even lift a Senate Pod is much much more than what it would take to do so. It is simple logic and physics at work. The reason you are so vehedemtnly against it is not because it cannot be done, but because you know, for a fact that khan has no defence against it.
It's literally no different than when you claimed that the weapons Khan has cannot be ripped from his grasp, despite the fact that Vader has this EXACT feat on screen in ESB. You denied it and continued pedantically blowing it off.
Originally posted by quanchi112
For the same reason Yoda didn't break Palpatine's body. Sure the force stopped the pod and hurled it. His force didn't crush the pod nor did it crush Palpatine's body. Yoda was there to kill him and yet he didn't even ko a geriatric with a force push.
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Oh for.... Look, it escapes your notice somehow that you are talking about force users here going against eachother... I do not know in what world you live in, but the force amplifies and protects it's wielders considerably. That is #1. #2, if you think all force techniques must be applied with the exact same force each and every time it is used, you are foolish. So, do you use the same amount of force when you type on your keyboard as you do when you break a pencil in half? or crush a can in your hand? please man, a little common sense!
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never once said so. By your logic Palaptine can't kill Khan since he has never taken on someone with his DNA. Quit being dense and not understanding a simple argument.
That is EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. With the same logic you are applying, not mine, you are saying that no beings in Star trek or Star Wars for that matter ever need to go to the toilet, because we NEVER SEE IT. THAT is literally the logic you put forth with your rebuff about the different applications and uses of the Force. It is not a specific power, it is broad ranged and offers many abilities, not just 1, and each of those abilities can be applied in various ways, it is not conformist to a singular method and application.
Originally posted by quanchi112
😂Cry on someone else's time. I don't respect you and just kinda laugh when you do your hall monitor thing.
Khan wins.
Condolences.
I choose to ignore this as the last failed rantings of a pathetic lowly little person who doesn't understand the very logic of his own arguments.
Originally posted by StealthRangerWe don't ignore how these characters stack up on film because you don't like the result. Jango took on three Jedi. One died, he stalemated Obi, and only lost to Windu due to a beast damaging his jet pack.
Welcome to fiction where characters don't use their abilities 100 times out of 100 because, fictionYou realise that the whole "they survive force pushes so they're weak" was your own precedent right?
And they do, several times throughout the series. Good job on trying to flip flop though
Jedi can augment their physical stats, like in Ep.1 on the Trade Federation ship, or Obi-Wan matching Greivous physically and prying his armor open, various leaping feats throughout the series, etc
Trolling 101
What do you think they utilize in hand to hand, couldn't be lightsabers certainly.
Translation: I will nitpick high end feats for Khan and lowball Star Wars as hard as possible while lying out my ass the whole time
Not seeing anything Captain America couldn't replicate
Force users absorb energy. And given they kind of energy they can slug out casually, yeah
Because Jango had firepower to defeat Jedi, hence why he needed to avoid his attacks, which he could easily do so
And Windu pretty much stomped Jango
Again, covers a much wider area, hence why he was effected even if he was fast enough to move out of the way
Of course you'll just ignore and go about your idiocy but, hey
You're really good at the style over substance thing, aren't you
We see they can survive force pushes but not blaster fire so the only logical conclusion is the force pushes aren't anywhere near as damaging as blaster fire on their own.
Name the occurrences. Be specific.
His armor wasn't hard to pry open. At no point did anyone else try to. Obi hurt his foot kicking him. He can't augment his physicality to damage Grievous on his own. They can leap further but they can't augment their bodies to tank blaster fire, attacks, etc.
I just said hand to hand formidability which means without a saber. They are skilled with a saber just not without it. Pay attention.
I didn't lie I posted evidence. Khan kicks a lot harder than Obi. I proved it. Khan has other kicks where he one shots opponents or breaks body parts. Obi's kick while being pathetic pit Anakin down for over five seconds. Khan beats him with one kick let alone the older and less durable Palpatine.
Cap America isn't in this thread. Try and pay attention to what thread you're in.
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Force users don't absorb blaster fire. It kills them. They can block force lightning due to it being weak. Order 66 negated the Jedi order save a few we know of.
Khan's firepower has more impressive feats than Jango so I am glad to hear you admit someone with less,impressive weaponry than Khan can do so.
False. Windu jumped away. The beast damages his equipment and then he loses. If his equipment doesn't work he isn't that effective.
It is a much slower attack so it doesn't matter if it covers a wider surface area. The attack was quick enough to tag Windu before he could leap away thus proving a faster attack from Khan's dual guns can do far worse.
You don't even know what thread you're in.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroWrong. The force push isn't what damages the person it is what it strikes in the environment. We see Yoda force push Palpatine and he doesn't break any bones. The pods are driven into the pods. This is a featureless environment. Force pushes can hurt if you drive someone into a hard or sharp object. Force pushes alone just knock you backwards. 🙂
Except that that is EXACTLY what you are saying. For 1, A force push on that scale would indeed shatter bone, because the force of what it would take to even lift a Senate Pod is much much more than what it would take to do so. It is simple logic and physics at work. The reason you are so vehedemtnly against it is not because it cannot be done, but because you know, for a fact that khan has no defence against it.It's literally no different than when you claimed that the weapons Khan has cannot be ripped from his grasp, despite the fact that Vader has this EXACT feat on screen in ESB. You denied it and continued pedantically blowing it off.
Oh for.... Look, it escapes your notice somehow that you are talking about force users here going against eachother... I do not know in what world you live in, but the force amplifies and protects it's wielders considerably. That is #1. #2, if you think all force techniques must be applied with the exact same force each and every time it is used, you are foolish. So, do you use the same amount of force when you type on your keyboard as you do when you break a pencil in half? or crush a can in your hand? please man, a little common sense!
That is EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. With the same logic you are applying, not mine, you are saying that no beings in Star trek or Star Wars for that matter ever need to go to the toilet, because we NEVER SEE IT. THAT is literally the logic you put forth with your rebuff about the different applications and uses of the Force. It is not a specific power, it is broad ranged and offers many abilities, not just 1, and each of those abilities can be applied in various ways, it is not conformist to a singular method and application.
I choose to ignore this as the last failed rantings of a pathetic lowly little person who doesn't understand the very logic of his own arguments.
Grievous didn't have a defense and yet he recovered. Jango didn't have a defense against it though he held his own against Obi despite having no force powers of his own. The movies portray how these abilities stack up not you.
Khan is stronger and has two weapons. Vader also didn't have his saber out when he pulled that off. Vader also tanked a few blasts. One shot from the Boolean gun vaporizes him. Not a sound strategy.
Yoda hit him as hard and as fast as he could. It knocked him backwards. That is it. Pretending force pushes break bones without proof is just making things up. Palpatine isn't as strong, durable, or has the healing abilities of Khan.
No, I said there has never been one example of a bone being broken from a force push alone. I can definitely see a bone being broken by being force pushed into a spike or something else in the environment. It is a combination not just the force push alone. Flawless logic.
I have made myself very clear and backed it with evidence. You haven't. 🙂
SO quan you admit a force push can KO someone when they hit another object right? So what's stopping palps from slamming Khan over and over again against objects?
You agree that Dooku and Yoda can do what they can at such an old age because of the force.. but act like it's turned off in this fight or something.. Sidious will be moving so fast he'll be a blurry to Khan.. Sids amping his speed and reflexes is exactly what would happen in this fight correct? How would can be able to react to a blitz.. so fast that 3 acclaimed Jedi's couldn't even react to? We've seen inferior jedi block multiple blaster fire coming from every where in AOTC.. Fisto was there as well and survived.. some of the weaker jedi did not but they were still showing great speed by blocking blaster fire like they did... Now imagine how fast 3 acclaimed and renowned jedi are... well Sids blitzed them and killed them with ease. That's how fast he is.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThis is set up in a featureless environment. Seconds, we have never seen the force able to demonstrate the feat of rocking someone back and forth over and over again to ko the person. Khan's resilience also shits all over that theory.
SO quan you admit a force push can KO someone when they hit another object right? So what's stopping palps from slamming Khan over and over again against objects?You agree that Dooku and Yoda can do what they can at such an old age because of the force.. but act like it's turned off in this fight or something.. Sidious will be moving so fast he'll be a blurry to Khan.. Sids amping his speed and reflexes is exactly what would happen in this fight correct? How would can be able to react to a blitz.. so fast that 3 acclaimed Jedi's couldn't even react to? We've seen inferior jedi block multiple blaster fire coming from every where in AOTC.. Fisto was there as well and survived.. some of the weaker jedi did not but they were still showing great speed by blocking blaster fire like they did... Now imagine how fast 3 acclaimed and renowned jedi are... well Sids blitzed them and killed them with ease. That's how fast he is.
I didn't say it is turned off. I said without the force enhancing their physical abilities their bodies are shit without it. At no point was Palpatine a blur to anyone. You can continue to make things up in order to try and save face but it isn't going to pass. The jedis did react. Windu also defeated him by himself. The Jedi were featless. Windu kicked the saber away from Palpatine who was also later disarmed against Yoda. Khan hits him once and there goes the saber.
We have also seen Jedi go down in masses to blaster fire due to order 66.
They were inferior Jedi with no feats. Windu defeated Sidious himself and made him beg for his life. Khan is ruthless. Palpatine dies.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You need to prove it. You can't. You wouldn't accept a battlezone you claimed Vader stomps. Continue to run from me.
Palpatine tosses Khan about easier than he tossed a senate pod and breaks Khan's body/bones harder than Spock did. /screenfeats /cantbedenied /thread /pwneditagain
Originally posted by RobtardContinue to make up feats. You'd better hope the latest Star Wars rumors aren't true because I'll be proven right yet again.
Palpatine tosses Khan about easier than he tossed a senate pod and breaks Khan's body/bones harder than Spock did. /screenfeats /cantbedenied /thread /pwneditagain
I'm salivating at the thought of pointing at you all Nelson style....Haha.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Continue to make up feats. You'd better hope the latest Star Wars rumors aren't true because I'll be proven right yet again.I'm salivating at the thought of pointing at you all Nelson style....Haha.
Palpatine tosses Khan about easier than he tossed a senate pod and breaks Khan's body/bones harder than Spock did. /screenfeats /cantbedenied /thread /pwneditagain